Tuesday, August 29, 2006
The Ruzan Shah correspondence - Hindu-Muslim dialogue - Part VI
Dear Ruzan Shah,
You missed my question. My question was, can you think of Allah without using the word Allah? Of course you cannot. Thereby, you cannot deny that you are also onto idol worship. If the Hindus worship an idol made of stone, you worship an idol made of sound. I did not say Allah is sound, just as no Hindu would say that the stone is God. It is just made of stone so that we can conceive God by the sense of our sight; likewise there are the names of God made out of sound so that we can conceive of God by our ears. So partner, we are all idol worshippers.
For your information (because you seem to be forgetting these things) you have the granite idol of Aswath placed in the giant cubic idol of Kaaba. You say you do not worship the Kaaba or the Aswath. Unless we define the word ‘worship’, we are going nowhere. But I know that it is obligatory at the Haj pilgrimage to kiss the Aswath. Because of the crowds, it would be good enough to touch the person in front of you who would be touching the person in front of him upto someone touching the person who is actually kissing the Aswath! As a matter of fact, the entire pilgrimage of Hajj is made up of rituals that we Hindus perform in our temple 365 days a year but which Muslims perform in Mecca only, and not in any other mosque in the world, in the few days of the Hajj.
Please quote me the Agni Rahasya or tell me the site I can go to to learn about it. If I cannot understand, I shall ask for your guidance.
You say we are discussing religion and not culture. What is there to discuss about religions? If you have known one religion, you have known all religions. The so-called differences are only in external ornamentation and not in the spirit. We have indeed to be talking about cultures – the Islamic culture of intolerance of other religions and the Hindu culture that believes that there are many ways to God.
By religion is meant teachings of a particular way to God. As there are many ways to God, there are bound to be many religions.
I used the term ‘systems’ to mean the various laws that societies have had to live under in different ages. Like the laws of Manu in an earlier age, for instance, which eventually rigidified the caste system. Or the laws of the Shariat under which Muslims are bound to live, but is today a cause of conflict with other civilisations.
We both agree that God sent messages to all peoples and in all languages. My question is, why has God suddenly decided to stop doing it and sent the last message to the Arab people through Mohammad?
There is nothing like an original version or later version of Hinduism. You are alluding to such things only because you continue to hold that Hinduism is just one single religion. Hinduism is the collective of all the divine experiences of man and his spiritual expressions. It is not just the expression of a single man named Mohammed, which is what Islam is.
Love,
Venu
The Ruzan Shah correspondence - Hindu-Muslim dialogue - Part VI
Dear Ruzan Shah,
You missed my question. My question was, can you think of Allah without using the word Allah? Of course you cannot. Thereby, you cannot deny that you are also onto idol worship. If the Hindus worship an idol made of stone, you worship an idol made of sound. I did not say Allah is sound, just as no Hindu would say that the stone is God. It is just made of stone so that we can conceive God by the sense of our sight; likewise there are the names of God made out of sound so that we can conceive of God by our ears. So partner, we are all idol worshippers.
For your information (because you seem to be forgetting these things) you have the granite idol of Aswath placed in the giant cubic idol of Kaaba. You say you do not worship the Kaaba or the Aswath. Unless we define the word ‘worship’, we are going nowhere. But I know that it is obligatory at the Haj pilgrimage to kiss the Aswath. Because of the crowds, it would be good enough to touch the person in front of you who would be touching the person in front of him upto someone touching the person who is actually kissing the Aswath! As a matter of fact, the entire pilgrimage of Hajj is made up of rituals that we Hindus perform in our temple 365 days a year but which Muslims perform in Mecca only, and not in any other mosque in the world, in the few days of the Hajj.
Please quote me the Agni Rahasya or tell me the site I can go to to learn about it. If I cannot understand, I shall ask for your guidance.
You say we are discussing religion and not culture. What is there to discuss about religions? If you have known one religion, you have known all religions. The so-called differences are only in external ornamentation and not in the spirit. We have indeed to be talking about cultures – the Islamic culture of intolerance of other religions and the Hindu culture that believes that there are many ways to God.
By religion is meant teachings of a particular way to God. As there are many ways to God, there are bound to be many religions.
I used the term ‘systems’ to mean the various laws that societies have had to live under in different ages. Like the laws of Manu in an earlier age, for instance, which eventually rigidified the caste system. Or the laws of the Shariat under which Muslims are bound to live, but is today a cause of conflict with other civilisations.
We both agree that God sent messages to all peoples and in all languages. My question is, why has God suddenly decided to stop doing it and sent the last message to the Arab people through Mohammad?
There is nothing like an original version or later version of Hinduism. You are alluding to such things only because you continue to hold that Hinduism is just one single religion. Hinduism is the collective of all the divine experiences of man and his spiritual expressions. It is not just the expression of a single man named Mohammed, which is what Islam is.
Love,
Venu
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aaamir Tuesday, August 29, 2006 11:10:04 PM
Sorry for intruding...Allah, Al-Ilah etc means only The God. We address Him as Ar-Rahman ,Ar-Rahim etc, not only as Allah.But Allah is The God.About granite idol of Aswath, its just a black stone. Hajr Al Aswad, means Black Stone. It is NOT mandatory to kiss the stone, just a 'salam' is required, if you cant touch or kiss the stone.No muslims worship Kaaba. They worship only The Almighty.And these rituals at Ka'aba are taught by Prophet Muhammed (PBUH). It is in the direction of Ka'aba, the entire muslims in the world face to.And as to why suddenly God stopped sending new messengers, you can get the answer only from Him.If I try to find a reason it'll go like this. But I am NOT an authority to say this."Actually there is no need for a new messenger, because the messages given by The Almighty is preserved in-tact by Him. And the new technological advances make sure it can be spread anywhere in the world very easily."Keeping the text in original has lot of advantages. It can be interpreted using the latest information we have. The Holy Quran is for all ages and for all people.Aamir
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