Infidel and the lacklustre Muslim response

Friday, March 2, 2007
Infidel and the lacklustre Muslim response

The questioning of Islam by Infidel is not bringing on a spirited defence by Muslims. Cut and paste jobs are hardly to the point. I have a feeling that most Muslims have so far only studied the Quran by rote and have not internalised it. If they have, they could have easily countered any 'attacks' by being philosophical (i.e., putting things in a larger perspective). Muslims, at least those responding in NDTV blogsphere, seem unable to do it. Holding on to Islam due to fear of Allah appears to have limited Muslims’ option to just quoting the Quran without philosophizing it, for fear of not getting it to tally with the official version. However, if the Muslims ever begin to philosophise about Islam, then Islam would flower into Sufism (i.e. move from dogma to spiritual). Then peace would finally dawn in the world of religion.

I am unable to praise Infidel enough and do not want to sound hackneyed in trying to do so. Nevertheless, I must once more say, Infidel, you are making a pioneering and tireless effort to make our Muslim brothers see the truth of the impossibility of God ceasing to speak after the 7th century and giving the final message in Arabic language. If at all a God had to give anything like a ‘final message’, He would have done it by instilling in us a capability that we would awaken to by and by – and this He has done right at the time of creation itself by giving us the gift of awakening to our higher consciousness – a possibility sought to be understood by many, except those whose options have been foreclosed by a dogmatic approach to religion.


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perfektm Friday, March 2, 2007 2:49:05 PM
Venu... sufi was a response given, when indians refused to accept islam under all conditions...by threating they made arabia islamized, which travelled down till presia... but the trick haven'T worked in india...people decided to die, instead of accepting islam... they had thrown all money in deep wells.. womens commited johar/sati in respose of islam... at last islam was loosing.. and they 1st time accepted in history, to accept what they tag pagans...anyways if you think indian muslims haven't "internalised" themself.. then i will say if hindus come in that place... Islamic existance will vanish out...
believer Friday, March 2, 2007 5:43:29 PM
How can you make one understand who doesn't want to understand? One who doesn't believe in God? One who creates a blog for mischief mongering and abuse? One who doesn't believe in the various creations of God and asks for proof done by some HUMAN scientists and questions God using the works of human beings, how can one explain to such fools and bigots?When a DOG barks it is better to avoid him and go your way..that is the work of an intelligent person.
K.Venugopal Friday, March 2, 2007 7:00:25 PM
Look, Believer, It is all about a certain attitude that is reflected in your comment. Your expressions upto "... using the works of human beings" are all acceptable, understandable and debatable. But why did you suddenly use the phrase "such fools and bigots"? Also, why do you consider questions as "dog barks"? I find this pattern repeated almost without fail by Muslim bloggers or those who take up the Islamic position. These blogs and comments are not private conversations; they are a public broadcast, albeit limited to a certain medium. A large number of persons read the blogs without necessarily noting their comments. So what you write is not for any individual, but a statement of views or positions for the readers at large. Therefore record your expression with malice towards none.
K.Venugopal Friday, March 2, 2007 7:12:43 PM
Dear Perfektm, The Hindu vision of Advaita has had the most profound spiritual influence in all history and even when not obvious, it always underscored all religiosity. It was a pervasive phenomenon, reaching all corners of the world. In Arabia too the culture had developed and its adherents were known as Sufis - but the coming of Islam threatened its existence and to survive, it took on the outer trappings of Islam but always had the Advaitic soul intact. Jesus’ teaching also was essentially Advaitic, but the Church managed to brutalise it. With the advent of foreign conquest, the advaitic soul of Hinduism went into a retreat. Now again, since Swami Vivekananda burst upon the scene, Advaita has had a slow and steady flowering and it has already had an impact on Christianity and it would before long have an impact on Islam too, which would see the resurfacing of the Sufi culture through Islam.

Infidel Friday, March 2, 2007 7:08:52 PM
Hey muslim clown, As your name suggests, you were expected to abuse when you don't have logical answer. Good show of islamic logical response. Keep it up, so that we can laugh upon.YOu wrote:"How can you make one understand who doesn't want to understand?"Absolutely correct for zombies like you. After proving so many times that quran is pedo MO's words and not of god, bigots like you will not understand, because you don't want to understand. Period.Your little brain (read dead brain) concluded that I don't believe in god and his power & creations. Which is not true. It's nOt your problem, it's because of being blind believer.You fools doesn't know the difference between quran and god. God is the creator and quran is his word (as per islam), which makes quran as his creation. BUt for morons like you, questioning quran is questioning god. What a pity!I never questioned god but quran, which is having load of errors, absurdities and fallacies.You graduate illiterate, answer a single questioned raised by me, of course rationally (which I am sure you cannot, being a brain-dead zombie) and show that you are not barking.

Infidel Friday, March 2, 2007 7:24:18 PM
YOu fools argue (mostly with venu) that creator and creation can not be the same. Then how come quran and god became one? you people are simply idiots.If quran is god's words, how can it have so many errors in it? Only one single error proves that it is not from god, but from pedo MO, Who deceived muslims for last 1400 years in the name of god and circumcised brains like you still believe in it.Good for you to be in this cult because if you come out of it, still I doubt that your dead-brain will start working or not. Quran is nothing but a crap book which teaches hate and voilence. Evertytime you people quote that comic book, your intelligency is revealed. Understood you muslim. So instead of abusing, go and read your comic book many times to see its real meaning by using your little brain.
Infidel Friday, March 2, 2007 7:46:43 PM
Dear Venu,Thanks for the kind words.So lastly this muslim proved you right. As per this clown, quran and gos is same, which proves your point that creator and creation can be the same. Cheers.Venu, we can wake up a person who is sleeping but not one who is pretending to sleep. These morons are like later. They are really pervert followers of pedophile MO.PS:Sorry for using such language in your blog, but I had no other option.
doggy doggy Friday, March 2, 2007 8:27:13 PM
hey infidel doggy, stop that barking.you are disturbing the neighbourhood! LOL!

Infidel Friday, March 2, 2007 9:36:08 PM
hey doggy,go to the nearest mosque and show your a$$ to allah while mulla barks.
Infidel Friday, March 2, 2007 10:59:45 PM
Hey believer,your way of writing looks quite familiar. I think, you are learner?PLease don't be shy if you are one of them?
Infidel Friday, March 2, 2007 11:49:45 PM
Hey believer, your tone is quite familiar.It looks you are one of the muslims who couldn't answer my questions and hence don't want to get humiliated by showing your name in which you wrote earlier.
Infidel Saturday, March 3, 2007 12:00:07 AM
Hey muslim,YOu wrote:"When a DOG barks it is better to avoid him and go your way..that is the work of an intelligent person".Is this the islamic way to confess? As you couldn't answer a single question raised, Show your intelligancy in refuting those points. By evading them actually you are proving that islam is false and you cannot defend it. Truth is so powerful that it need not to be hidden. If your islam is the truth, show us its truthfulness. It's your religious duty to preach islam everywhere and prove us,nonbelievers, wrong. Go ahead muslim, seek help your moon god allah and prove quran is divine.If you don't show up again here, then you will prove that you are a pervert and can't do anything except barking and abusing.Enough is enough. Stop barking and use your little brain in understanding quran and islam.

Mataji Nirmala Devi and our National Flag

Monday, February 26, 2007
Mataji Nirmala Devi and our National Flag.
Recently there was a blog with a photograph showing Mataji Nirmala Devi and at her feet our National Flag. Naturally all patriots were disturbed. I contacted the organisation and they have e-mailed me the following statement they have issued to the press.

Our Deepest Respect to our National Flag

We Sahaja Yogis have the highest and deepest respect for our National Flag, which is the symbol of our National Freedom. Shri Mataji NirmalaDevi participated actively in the Quit India Movement. Her father Shri P K Salve was imprisoned by the British because he participated actively in Mahatma Gandhiji’s Freedom movement. It is inconceivable that any member of Shri Mataji’s family would tolerate even the slightest disrespect to our National Flag.

Possibly, at an Independence Day function held abroad, some foreigner Sahaja Yogi brought our Flag and without meaning any disrespect, kept it on the ground. The Flag was respectfully removed immediately on being noticed.

Shri Mataji NirmalaDevi asks us all to respect National Flags of all countries.

This unintended but serious mistake is greatly regretted. Not even the slightest disrespect to our National Flag will ever be tolerated.

To all those whose feelings have been hurt by this wholly unintended and unfortunate error, we express the assurance that we fully share their anguish and we extend our deeply felt and sincerest regrets and unqualified apologies.

For H.H. Shri Mataji NirmalaDevi Sahaja Yoga Trust
Rajendra Kumar
Trustee
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As in Mecca, so in Ayodhya

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Saturday, February 24, 2007
As in Mecca, so in Ayodhya
This blog is in response to “The Holy Land” posted by Gautam Ramaswamy on Saturday, February 24, 2007 at 7:14:01 PM. Gautam has suggested: “No Mandir, no Masjid, build a state-owned Cancer / AIDS research institute, coupled with a hospital, over this land and return its sanctity.”

This suggests that (1) he finds the temple lacks sanctity, (2) he wants the Government to take over a site of deep importance for the Hindus and (3) he wants the place to be put to use for purposes other than Hindu religion.

I would ask him to consider the following:

Muslims believe a mosque existed in Mecca since the time of Abraham and later on it was destroyed by pagans (Hindus?) who installed idols there. Then Mohammad came and destroyed the idols and restored the mosque to its pristine glory.

Hindus believe a temple existed in Ayodhya since the time of Rama and later on it was destroyed by Muslims who built a mosque there. Then Vishva Hindu Parishad came and destroyed the mosque and restored the temple - not yet to its pristine glory, which is awaited.

Now if anyone says that the temple in Ayodhya must revert to a mosque, then he should be fair and also say that the mosque in Mecca must revert to a temple.

And if Gautam feels that a Cancer/AIDS research institute with a hospital should be built in Ayodhya, I feel that a magnificent temple with a Rama/Sita research institute should be built in Ayodhya.

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In response to Blog by Gautam: Why in Ayodhya, because in Mecca?
You are contradicting yourself when you say that “Building a Ram Mandir there would restore the sanctity of the place, which has been robbed of the same because of the bloodshed and senseless behavior of ours” How was our behaviour senseless or responsible for bloodshed? What destroyed the sanctity of the place was Baber and his Mosque.

About wanting an assurance that another Akshardham would not happen, are you not forgetting that Akshardham itself was built most peacefully and non-controversially and everything about Swaminarayan movement is most peaceful? And yet Akshardham attack took place. So no assurance can be given by anybody except that we have the spirit in us that made us rebuild Somnath temple every time it was destroyed. Let us have the mantra of ‘Jai Somnath’ in our hearts.
The only end to the problem is the building of a magnificent Rama temple on the spot and a readiness to defend the temple at all costs.
Funny you say that we should “keep religion absolutely out when finding a way out”. How can religion be kept out of a Rama Mandir?
What is this research centre you are talking about? Since you mentioned an AIDS/Cancer research centre, I mentioned that more apt to a Rama temple premises would be a Rama/Sita research centre (meaning a research centre on Rama and Sita or Ramayana, not a research centre for Aids or Cancer named after Rama or Sita!).
You say “The solution to this issue can only be found outside politics and religion. It can't be found by our politicians and our religious leaders”. There is no need to keep anybody out. Only, no one should seek to hijack the movement away from the purpose of a magnificent temple at the birthplace of Sri Ram.

Vande Mataram.

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viperov Sunday, February 25, 2007 4:11:28 PM
Dear Mr. Venugopal,I am answering the questions raised, in this and the posts that follow:Sanctity:The place would have had its sancity if there were a temple present.There is none. There is only a land where many innocent people were killed.
viperov Sunday, February 25, 2007 4:14:42 PM
So, One way of returning the sanctity of the place is to build the temple.I am not contesting the sanctity of the temple at all.
viperov Sunday, February 25, 2007 5:05:05 PM
Dear Sir,Please find a response to your blog in my posts.Cheers!Viperov

A response to Jumbo Jumbo's call to "Infi and Gang" to change the topic

Friday, February 23, 2007
A response to Jumbo Jumbo's call to "Infi and Gang" to change the topic
Dear Jumbo Jumbo, I understand your point of view. The peacemaker is the most noble of men.

In this particular case, Infidel has only been questioning. Hindus are more philosophers than academicians and are more comfortable with reconciliation of opposing points of view. However, philosophers tend to gloss over matters and a reality check is often called for. Infidel questioned the circumstances Mohammad’s marriage to Ayesha, wondering whether it squares up with the claim of Mohammad being the exemplar of mankind. He also analysed the claims of Quran on conception, pointing out similarities with Greek works on the subject and a mismatch with modern day scientific opinion. He touched on many other subjects seeking an honest discussion with Muslims. His stand, based on ground covered so far, is that the Quran is not the work of Allah but Mohammad.

If Infidel has been going around with a microphone in the public posing his questions, you would be right in saying that thereby a breach of peace would occur. But in the medium of the internet on a blog format, the discussion is restricted to those who wish to enter into it. Therefore the peacemaker has no role as no peace is breached. What is occurring is only the exercise of the individual’s freedom of expression, be it questioning or justifying.

As they say, it is not what you do that is often the issue, but when, where and how you do it. I think NDTV blogsphere is a mature enough forum to stand all sorts of questioning and also a forum where only those interested participate, unlike a public-microphone affair where often views are broadcast uncalled for.
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Infidel Friday, February 23, 2007 8:56:46 AM
Dear Venu, YOu write very well. I couldn't do better than that. Thanks brother.

Infidel Friday, February 23, 2007 10:36:29 PM
Thanks ajmal, for accepting the truth that MO was a pedophile. I quote your comment here as:"I AGREE THAT NAOOZU BILLAH HE WAS PAEDOPHIL" ajmal.rashid Friday, February 23, 2007 9:46:55 AM You got it right ajmal, now you are very close to the whole truth. Congrats.

jj Saturday, February 24, 2007 1:56:30 AM
i am neither a peace maker nor a war monger. i was just trying to prevent things from getting cancerous and cantenkerous

infidel Saturday, February 24, 2007 7:39:57 AM
Dear brother JJ,What can be a bigger cancer than islam and its zombies. You can see these bigots following their cult truly all over the world by blowing up themselves and hundreds of thousands of innocents with them.There is no term as MODERATE MUSLIMS that is a taqiyya to fool people. The only aim is to spread islam throughout the world or kill infidels to make ummah bigger.

K.Venugopal Sunday, February 25, 2007 4:08:32 PM
Infidel, as usual, has hit the nail right on the head.

Friday, February 23, 2007
infi and gang ---- pl change your topic
infi and others
ever since you ppl started your islam bashing, ndtv forum has become over crowded and saturated with your stuff.
this is totally sick and unnecessary. the common man is more concerned about his next meal than about religion.
no person has the right to comment on another person's faith. it is the most childish and immature thing to do. differences of opinion will always there.
i have differences with my brothers and friends almost everyday. thats doesnt make us enemies. one doesnt become a hindu or a muslim just by being born to hindu or muslim parents.
it is only when you sincerely practise your religion that you become a real devotee of god. a truly religious person will never have even the slightest trace of hatred in his heart.
by spewing more and more venom in this forum what exactly are you trying to achieve ?
the same question to all muslim friends who write about ram and krishna.
long ago i used to do this kind of blogging. but my conscience revolts against it and here is an earnest appeal to all of you to stop this.
this is definitely not the way to move forward. we are all sons of the same soil and our destinies are inevitably interwined. if we were to keep abusing each other, what hope do we have of a good future.
violece begets violence, hatred begets hatred. it is the innocents who get caught in this vicious cycle.
infi --- just let go. remeber the lord's promise
yadha yadha hi dharmasya glanihi bhavathi bharatha
abhyukthaanam adharmasya thadhaathmaanam srujaamyaham
if dharma needs to be protected. the lord himself has a mechanism to do it.
dont worry. just forget and forgive. reconcile to the past.
it is only the truly strong and brave who have the courage to forget and forgive.
so just let go of prophet mohammed and islam. that will do you a world of good.
cheers
jumbo
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perfektm Friday, February 23, 2007 1:37:50 AM
lets change it Jumbo..what do you think of this ?cultureforall.blogspot.com/2007/02/from-ashes-of-burned-train.html--PM
amardeep Friday, February 23, 2007 2:23:58 AM
ndia.jj you patience has run out but not muslims to kill indians. your patience has run out and muslims will celebrate. how long will we have our patience and look at what have muslims done in india.i will comment and will continue to bash filthy muslims till the blood is red.do you think muslims will ever ever stop their filthy activities.
jj Friday, February 23, 2007 2:51:56 AM
amardeep. this is not the way to go about. i will trust a good human being. as a hindu i am not going to trust a human being just because he is a hindu and i am not going to distrust a person just because he is a muslim

In reply to Muneer's Valentine's Day blog - a Shiva Ratri blog.

Thursday, February 15, 2007
In reply to Muneer's Valentine's Day blog - a Shiva Ratri blog.

Dear Muneerka,

You have accused me of maligning Islam. Can you give me a single specific instance where I have maligned Islam, quoting my words?

You claim yourself to be a moderate and even secular Muslim because you have served mutton biriyani to Brahmins clandestinely on Eid. Now we have one more definition of pseudo-secularism! Our politicians do the same sort of thing by attending Iftar parties and getting a secular tag.

Naturally you saw a dark side to emergency because your co-religionists were the targets of “neutering”. If others only were targeted, would emergency have been perfect for you?

About skewed man-women ratio due to aborted female-foetus, are you saying it is skewed vis-a-vis the 1 man 4 wives formula of Islam?

Your view that India was a “shining” example of religious intolerance during the BJP rule is not matched by facts. The over-6 years BJP rule was the period with the least religious riots in independent India’s history, except what happened due to Godhra. And Godhra was caused not by the BJP but by fanatic Muslims. The days of the ‘meek-Hindu’ are gone, my friend. Hindus have learnt the lessons of partition caused by Islamic intolerance, though it took them some time.

In your article you seem to be swearing by “secular India” (why did you put it in inverted commas?). Can you tell me whether Islam believes in secularism?

You quote Staines murder as a great crime by Hindus when the unfortunate incident happened in the backdrop of on-going conversion attempts. You seem to grudge the Hindus the right to save their flock from depletion when Islam has given a blank cheque to kill any Muslim leaving the flock. Have a sense of proportion, Muneerka.

The raping of Christian nuns in Madhya Pradesh was later on discovered to be done by Christians themselves, according to both official and independent reports. Talking of rapes of nuns, when Pakistani army entered Kashmir immediately after partition, it was unexpected and India was not prepared. By the time India assembled the troops and landed in Kashmir (where the runway was cleared by RSS cadres), the Pakistani soldiers had taken control of much of Kashmir. It is said that the Pakistanis would even have reached Srinagar by then had not their soldiers stopped by at a monastery to rape all the nuns there.

Hindus do not forcibly convert anyone, which is why Hindu sanyasis are welcomed in all societies all over the world.

You have conceded that a convert remains a convert through help given. It is the material temptation that is the magic wand of conversion.

We have no worry about Hindus accepting any or all religions or no religion. That is what Hinduism teaches - Truth is one and is expressed variously. But conversion is not acceptance. Conversion says, my religion is true, yours is false. This is against the Hindu grain and the Hindu will naturally organize against conversions.

I agree with you that Parzania should not be banned. Since you were a movie going fan of Rajesh Khanna days, you might remember in those days a film called “Death of a Princess” was made on the story of 19-year old Princess Mish'al, a great niece of the Saudi King and her 20-year-old lover, the son of a senior Saudi general, who were both publicly executed, all because they took a Valentine’s Day break! Well, I was in Muscat when the film was released and I saw the film, which was banned in the Gulf, on VCR. So, likewise, half of Gujarat must have already seen Parzania, thanks to the ban. I say there should be no bans of any kind, including ban on depiction of Mohammad. But you are questioning even my right to write on Mohammad. So who’s for freedom?

About the Parsis, do not forget that when they were persecuted in Islamic lands, it was a Hindu King of India who gave them refuge and to this day they are pleased with the Hindus. They are India’s most exemplary citizens. Hindus simply love Parsis and the Parsis know it. They have enhanced India as sugar enhances milk. The irony is that people who came from abroad have merged into the Indian culture whereas people who were always in India have taken to foreign ways upon a change in the mode of worship.

In Malegaon, can you please tell me why Muslims themselves put bombs in the mosque? Understand that it is not RSS who is your enemy but your masters in Pakistan. All bombs will cease in India when Indian Muslims cut off their umbilical cord to Pakistan.

Bharath is for all children of Bharath Mata, irrespective of religion. If Vande Mataram is presently too difficult to digest due to too much indoctrination of the Wahaibi school of thought in Islam, then at least start with “Maa Tujhe Salaam” of A.R. Rehman or “Sare Jahan Se Accha Hindusthan” of Mohd. Iqbal.

It is funny you should blame the Hindu leaders for the Kashmir problem. The Kashmir problem has been caused by Pakistan exploiting the inherent intolerance of other religions by Islam. Remove intolerance in Islam and you will have no Kashmir problem. But since you are not supposed to change a single comma in the Quran, India will have no choice but to keep its Army in full measure there.

And how convoluted your logic is. You blame Hindu leaders for even the creation of Bangladesh when Bangladesh was created because Islam could not retain both wings of the country and West Pakistan wanted to force Urdu on East Pakistan.

Since your mind is rooted in the 7th century history, you have probably missed the historical fact that it was the great Atal Behari Vajpayee who initiated the peace process. So why should Hindutva forces derail it? Hinduism’s greatest strength is its ability to syncretize. We welcome the prospect of Akhand Bharath!

You call for “peaceful co-existence with Muslims”. Whom are you calling? The Hindus? Other communities? Are you talking of a pact or a friendship agreement? You have this concept of peaceful co-existence because you think that Muslims are a separate nation residing in India, without being able to digest the fact that Muslims or whoever are children of Bharath Mata and therefore it is not peaceful co-existence we should be talking about (as if we are two separate nations seeking to have friendly relations) but recognition of our nationhood as children of Bharath Mata.

We do not have problems with Muslims as citizens of India or human beings. They are as good or bad as any other citizen of India. We also have absolutely no problems with that Arab who lived in the 7th century and founded Islam. We have problems only with Islam saying that it alone is the true religion and all other religions are false - this stand is the root cause of terrorism.

Hinduism encourages the questioning of all scriptures and gives freedom to an individual to accept it only if he or she is comfortable with it. But it does not give any one the freedom to suggest that there is only one way to God. If someone believes that Quran was the work of Mohammad and not Allah, it is his right to believe so. If you want such a person to change his mind, you can try convincing him in a civilized way. The final choice is his. You should not have any problems with it.

You need not change anything to suit anyone requirements. But you should equally accept that you cannot call for someone to change his opinion to suit your comfort.

By saying that Quranic verses should be looked at in proper context (which context again, I suppose, should be looked at from a bigger context), you are also admitting that none of the verses of the Quran can stand alone. With the same logic I say, the Quran and Mohammed should be looked at in the proper context, the context of man striving towards his destiny of divinity and scriptures, religions and its founders being expressions of that striving.
However, you say that you have all along been reading the Quran without understanding the context. I wonder what they taught you in the Madrassas?

I congratulate you on taking a deeper interest in Islam but warn you against the pitfalls of terrorism, as happened to the Taliban. I suggest you study Islam in the context of Advaita – the broadest of possible contexts.

You say only you, as a Muslim, stand by what you wrote. I, as a Hindu, also stand by what I wrote. I challenge you to prove, by contacting NDTV and finding out the source from where the comment in my name about blowing up mosques and killing 1000 Muslims originated. I challenge you to prove it. If you are unable to prove it, you should accept my denial that I wrote, which denial you yourself have published in your blog. I stand by every word I write and I have a record of every word I have written. You also allege that I have insulted your Prophet. How have I? Do clarify. So go through my blogs, most of which indeed have to do with Islam and pinpoint where I have insulted your prophet. You should particularly read my many blogs of conversation with Ruzan Ali and note the colourful language he used against me and my restrained replies at all times. Remember, blogs cannot be written in another’s name, only comments can.

Sainiks have no right to go berserk and on rampage. But they have a right to protest against Valantine’s Day or any other day. This is a democratic country. Not an Islamic country where during Ramzan you are forced to fast along with Muslims (if you depend on the hotels for food) even though you are not a Muslim.

About mixing religion with politics, Hinduism only mixes it, but for Islam, politics is the very goal of its existence – to create the Um of Islam with Shariat as its constitution. Can you deny this?

About sex and religion, the Tantrics connect it. But what has that got to with one-night stands at the BPOs?, as if only Hindus work in BPOs.

You say “Islam creates a barrier between men and women”. Well said.

Please tell me the circumstances of your meeting Jack Straw. I think you are just name-dropping!

You claim that you are a moderate Muslim and yet you support the Australian Imam who suggested anyone not “covered-up” is inviting rape.

If a London school is objecting to anyone wearing Hijaab, what should be your problem? Don’t you already have the freedom to dress as you like in India, thanks to the broad minded Hindu culture? Therefore propagate the Hindu culture.

I am glad you said that RSS is pushing moderate Muslims to study Islam better, though even without the RSS you should study Islam better. Alhamdu Lillah, all RSS swayamsevaks will go to Paradise on the day of Allah’s judgement because they made many Muslims study Islam better!

You say Islam preaches tolerance only till a certain point. According to me it does not preach tolerance at all. If you are appearing tolerant now, it is only because Islam is a minority in India and the rest of the world.

You say even your family comes only next to your religion. This is not a surprise. After all, Allah has created you for you to obey Him and for no other purpose, right? Being a slave and all that. And Allah has given ample directions in the Quran for you to kill the Kafirs. So find any excuse and execute Allah’s will.

You say no human force can stop the spread of Islam. Don’t forget that a greater force than Islam exists and that is Christianity. You tickle them the wrong way and you’ve had it. And then there is Hinduism, the longest running culture in human history. My prediction is that before long Hinduism will swallow Islam. They will repeat what Shiva did long ago. But that’s another story for another day.

About questioning the Muslims’ faith or patriotism, I assure you that I would never question the Muslims’ faith nor have I ever done so, for I believe that faith moves mountains (you got the meaning of the proverb wrong the last time and talked about moving Himalayas to Japan and Mount Fuji to India!) About patriotism, it is my national right to question the activities of Pakistani agents in India. I hope you are not one of them, though you have indirectly let out that you have NDF connections (in case readers do not know, NDF is a rabid Muslim terrorist organization in Kerala who are responsible for the murder of 8 poor Hindu fishermen in Marad in Kerala).

You say religion should be a personal affair. Thanks for saying it. I think after blogging all these weeks with Hindus, you are unconsciously coming around to the Hindu point of view, for Islam does not believe that religion should be a personal affair.

As I told Ruzan Shah in an earlier blog, the state in India has never sponsored any religious attacks. Because if it did, as the state apparatus in India is overwhelming in the hands of Hindus, Muslims would have become a micro-minority community in India.

I do not know of any Swami-Mullah nexus. Please enlighten with facts.

Please remember that India is a model secular democracy because India is a Hindu majority country. The day it becomes a Muslim majority country, secularism will cease. Can you deny this?

If Islamic banking means no interest on deposits but a share in the profits or loss of the bank, then it is upto the Reserve Bank of India to say if it would be ideal banking. I understand there are Swiss Banks which not only do not give interest, but require you to pay them to put your money in their banks, which a lot of crooks do and it gives the banks huge profits.

About Infidel spitting venom on Mohammad or Islam, everyone knows that he was having a decent debate with Learner and Human and even you appreciated it. Suddenly it was you, being unable to answer his questions, though it was not asked to you directly, who turned nasty. And when you used foul language, he did not want to lag behind. Obviously he does not subscribe to Jesus view of turning the other cheek. He is more Islamic in fact – an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.

You talk of ending meaningless debates. When have you ever debated? You have either evaded issues or used foul language. Anyway, I accept your call to move on to more enlightened thoughts. I suggest, for a beginning, we debate on whether we are separate from God or we are actually God!

If you are talking about Islam bashing, you better define what is Islam bashing. Because you seem to have limited views on freedom of expression and we, as Hindus, are unlikely to give up our right to freedom.

You warn of the great curse of religious intolerance. Islam introduced religious intolerance.
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syeedunsyd Thursday, February 15, 2007 10:01:50 AM
I dont think you even understand what you are writing. your reply is just a story, a story which is based on your own created ideas and not on facts. what you are writing is altogether different from facts. Do not blame any person or any religion. try to learn a good part of it if you can. if you cant, then do not write anything without knowing the facts.
Infidel Thursday, February 15, 2007 10:06:19 AM
Dear venu, Again you proved that you are a gem of this blogsphere. I am thankful that you explained muneer in a way he deserves

K.Venugopal Thursday, February 15, 2007 10:37:20 PM
Dear Syeedunsyd, In order to sincerely learn from my mistakes, I request you to please point out where my writing is not based on facts.
K.Venugopal Thursday, February 15, 2007 10:59:08 PM
Dear Infidel, You have proved that infidels are no pushover the believers think infidels are. In fact if the believers are not blinded by fury due to the temerity of an infidel to question their dogma, they would see you as a partner in their understanding of Islam.

sage Friday, February 16, 2007 3:21:35 PM
hey muslim syeed- read the above blog, comment in a logical way , if you differ form what is written by venu, write about what you differ, not what you have written. do be deaf dumb and blind.
dumbo Friday, February 16, 2007 6:01:53 PM
Venu,You quoted "My prediction is that before long Hinduism will swallow Islam. They will repeat what Shiva did long ago. But that’s another story for another day."Among the signs of the end of the world or Judgement Day...There will be no muslims on the earth and all will be non muslims when the HOUR comes!So your wish of Hinduism swallowing Islam will happen one day! SO keep cool.

K.Venugopal Friday, February 16, 2007 10:45:12 PM
Dear Dumbo, By swallowing Islam I meant that Hinduism's famed syncretic powers will transform Islam from a dogmatic religion to a spiritual religion like Sufism. Please inform me where in the Quran it is said there will be no Muslims on earth when the hour comes?

Israel leads the way

Tuesday, February 13, 2007
Israel leads the way
[The following news item was so startling that I thought I would do a cut and paste job for our readers.]
Israel Invites 300 Pandits to Pray for National Security2/13/2007 4:57:27 AM Surinder Attri
Israel invites 300 Vaidik Hindu Pandits to undertake collective chanting (Samuhik Namajap) for National Security. Israel has invited 300 Hindu Pandits to undertake collective chanting (Samuhik Namajap) for protecting of Israel. They are waiting for their visas. These Pandits are not just knowledgeable in Vedas and Sanskrit, but they are also followers of the Vedic lifestyle. jpost.com has already published a news article relating to this.
Compare Israeli Government that tries every possible alternative with an open mind for National Security, to the Nidharmi Bharat Sarkaar which ignores the treasures of knowlegde hidden within its own land! Why must God grace this Government and the people that have elected it ? Spiritual Science Research Foundation has done extensive research in various types of such collective chanting.Dr. Alex Kutei, an expert in "Technology and Nature's laws" in the Institute for Science and Creative Intelligence at Hozen, Israel has been doing Spiritual Practice as mentioned in the Vedas for the past 31 years."I will soon establish Israel as an invincible Nation with the help of Vedanta. Yoga and Namajap especially collective Namajap mentioned in the Vedas has the capacity of creating frequencies which foster National Unity and Peace, besides physical fitness." , says Dr. Kutei. The planned collective chanting has to be done in exact manner prescribed in the Vedas. The number of priests doing the chant should be 1% that of 0.01% of total population of the Nation. In case of Israel the number comes to 300.This is in fact just the peak of the whole mountain range. H.H. Dr. Jayant Athavale, founder, Sanatan Sanstha has said that the demand for Vaidik Sanskrit knowing Spiritual Seekers would exponentially increase globally from 2006 onwards right upto 2018. After 2018 sanskrit knowing people would have to be sent all over the world to spread the message of Spirituality and Gurukrupayoga.
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Lalu Leela Tuesday, February 13, 2007 10:05:28 PM
In the muslim-dominant district of Malappuram in Kerala, Hindu priests who does yagna is in very high demand nowadays. It is said that many priets are making more than a lakh of ruppes a month doing pujas in muslim homes (secretly of course!!!!).
jj Tuesday, February 13, 2007 10:08:57 PM
that was very inspiring indeed
K.Venugopal Tuesday, February 13, 2007 10:19:36 PM
Dear Lalu Leela, What you say is true. This happens largely when Muslims who have gone to Gulf and made big money come back and buy the huge houses of former Hindu landlords. These would be houses which have traditional pooja rooms and Muslims do 'Brahma Rakshas' poojas to ward of the ill effect of no longer doing poojas there. It used to be said that Muslims were afraid of only two things in Malapuram, one, Brahma Rakshas and two, RSS!

RADHAKRISHNAN.C Wednesday, February 14, 2007 10:06:09 PM
Dear Venu,Keep up the good work.In spite of stones placed in your path you still keep going and really appreciate your never die attitude.Keep up the good work.Dont be distracted by what people like muneer utter about your blogs.Very informative

Muneerka's Valentine's Day blog and some thoughts.

Tuesday, February 13, 2007
Muneerka's Valentine's Day blog and some thoughts.
Dear Muneerka, What you are saying in essence is that no one should question Islam in its onward march to world conquest. You are repeating a lie many times in the hope that it will stick on me, in spite of the fact that you yourself quoted my denial. However, let me remind you that all over the world the face of terrorism is today Islam. If you want to live in peace, it is this image that must change. But instead you have the guts to ask Hindus not to question your religion and live in a censored situation, as prevails in all Muslim countries in the world.

You talk about secularism. Do you know that secularism means accepting that there are many paths to God.? Does Islam believe in this? So why don't you preach secularism in Islamic countries instead of exploiting secularism in India? You talk about Gujarat riots. Why do you deny it began after a bogey full of Hindu pilgrims were burnt to death by Muslim fanatics? Who has been putting bombs all over India? Hindus? Why, who put the bombs in Malegoan mosque? All reports indicate the Muslims did it. Your enemy is not the RSS but your Pakistani masters.

You are displaying your anger over a few blogs written. Then you better imagine the anger Hindus have for all the terrorist activities in India in the name of Islam. Kashmir is a Muslim majority country and they have passed the Shariat there. This proves that Muslims do not prefer to live under a secular constitution.

In short, what you want is to impose censorship on any questioning of Islam, which proclaims that it is the only true religion and other religions are not valid. Due to terrorism, today’s issue is Islam. To suggest that no one should respond to the issues of the day is to fear discussion. And if for you standing by your religion is more important than anything else, it will do well to remember that others too have religions and beliefs, though Islam may not credit them to be genuine.
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muneerudeen Tuesday, February 13, 2007 9:53:09 AM
And as for you pal Infi-he is a bigger liar. He picks all his articles from Anti Islam sites-right from the first one by Newman and he also thinks that he is smarter than others by a sick Questionnaire he put on the blog. Such a fake and he talks about the Prophet as if he saw him in person. Yes he will one day see our prophet when Infi burns on his funeral pyre !
muneerudeen Tuesday, February 13, 2007 9:55:29 AM
Take this example.Your boss is paying you overtime to work at night as a stenographer.And what do you do? Spend your time on the blogs and claim overtime from him.Even in daytime you blog on HIS time.Shows your character Mr Vedantist Venu !Can you refute this !
muneerudeen Tuesday, February 13, 2007 10:09:46 AM
All my comments get rearranged in the wrong order.The last comment was posted first and the first comment was posted last among the first three comments.Will be back with more
muneerudeen Tuesday, February 13, 2007 10:09:47 AM
You are again couching your words and denying your comments on Gary Kristens blog. You are a very big LIAR VENU !As for Islam conquering the WORLD-it will weather you like it or not.So you say Gujerat was a reply to Godhra. What if you guys planned it and burned the bogey with a few ram Bhats.Thats what the commission report said.So only what you say counts-others dont ?
K.Venugopal Tuesday, February 13, 2007 3:00:14 PM
Dear Muneerka, I do not get any overtime, nor do I work at night as a stenographer. I have excellent relations with my boss and all of us have the liberty to blog as they please. So what's your problem?
K.Venugopal Tuesday, February 13, 2007 3:19:34 PM
Dear Muneerka, Would the riots in Gujarat have taken place if the Godhra incident did not take place? Who burnt the train bogey in Godhra? Who are all the people arrested for it? Muslims. Who are all the people who have been charged for burning the train? Muslims. Have any Hindus been arrested for burning the train? No.
RADHAKRISHNAN.C Tuesday, February 13, 2007 5:26:23 PM
No body wants to talk about Godhra.But only talk about rioting and the aftermath.Had Godhra not happened then what followed wouldnt have happened.Simply blaming others is not going to bring any peace
Infidel Tuesday, February 13, 2007 6:56:23 PM
No muneer, I never saw muhammad and don't even want to. But did you see him? May be in your "Hallucination".Its not me but your SAHIH HADITHS are talking about your holy prophet that he was a PEDOPHILE.NOw, do you mean HADITHS are also anti islamic, what a pity, muneer?Not "Sick questionnairre" but the real questions which you cannot and will not answer for whole your life. You can only do bad arguments but can NEVER refute my claims, I repeat, NEVER.Did you count how many times the words are in quran for land, sea, man and woman? OR still stuck on a typo-mistake bahar in place of barr.Go, get up and search your arabic quran and count these words and show yourself whether they are 13 for land, 32 for sea, 24 each for man and woman.And prove to yourself that you are the biggest liar on this blogsphere.
K.Venugopal Tuesday, February 13, 2007 7:44:47 PM
Dear Infidel, You are the right antidote to Muneerka who is all sound and fury but no substance.

muneerudeen Tuesday, February 13, 2007 11:28:18 PM
It is people like you ,Infidel & Venu who will drive me to such actions BUT till then hold your words ! OK ? What business have you guys to go after our Prophet ? What muslims believe is their business NOT yours .We dont butt into your temples or question your puja paat ! Its when you start we retaliate.
muneerudeen Tuesday, February 13, 2007 11:35:46 PM
I will never answer that infidel WHO is the worst enemy of ISLAM .His fate we will all hear very soon and then we will debate the happenings ! Ask him to Sleep well for the next few days TILL one when he will see things and never wake up !Now I am permitted to say that he is the worst scum on earth.
muneerudeen Tuesday, February 13, 2007 11:46:15 PM
As for substance I have seen your LOVE debates since August last year And always blasting your Venu Veda which everyone should listen to.You Sadhus go stick to your level of Sadhus and Sanyasis OK ? Dont turn on our Prophet like Infidel.You will soon hear about his fate ! Its sealed !
muneerudeen Tuesday, February 13, 2007 11:57:58 PM
There is no antidote for Infidels poisonous mind ! He is the worst scum on earth and the 21st Century Abu jahil. Some people may NOT agree with my attitude BUT its what is due to Abu Jahil of the 21st Century.He has taken on my wrath for abusing OUR prophet and ISLAM My enemies have never escaped me ! He is my enemy No 1.
Infidel Wednesday, February 14, 2007 12:29:05 AM
Great muneer, so you finally removed your hypocricy mask and declared openly that I am your enemy No. 1. Thanks buddy.Again, let me make it clear that it is not me but your own SAHIH HADITHS who say that your HOLY PRophet was a PEDOPHILE. Why to curse and abuse me? What I did? I didn't wrote or compiled HADITHS, nor wrote the HOLY QURAN.I am just quoting your HOLY QURAN AND HADITHS, that's it.It was Ayesha, who narreted in referred HADITHS and not me.So either curse Muhammad and Ayesha for their deeds if you can or the writer of QURAN AND HADITHS. Not me, okay.

Shersingh Thursday, February 15, 2007 12:02:07 AM
Dear Venu and Radha, Goddhra was a crime against humanity, but does Hinduism condone the murder of innocent women and children in retaliation?
K.Venugopal Thursday, February 15, 2007 10:18:36 PM
Dear Shersingh, There is no question of condoning violence. We must pay for violence, whatever our motive or reason. In the Mahabharatha war in the end everyone pays for it one way or the other because they indulged in violence, albeit some for Dharma. This is like all actions, even good actions, being bound by karma. Nevertheless, in the immediacy of a situation, violence is ofttimes inevitable. A truly spiritual person will have no reason to defend his life even if attacked for negative reasons. But to maintain the eternal harmony that is Dharma, the heroic ones become an instrument in the hands of spiritual forces, just as Arjuna took to violence to quell the rampaging violence of Duryodhana. “Ushnam ushname shanti.”
K.Venugopal Thursday, February 15, 2007 10:21:31 PM
Read the last line: . . . just as Arjuna took to violence to quell the rampaging violence of Duryodhana under the guidance of Krishna.

Shersingh Friday, February 16, 2007 1:46:37 AM
Dear Venu, for all your sophistry, there is a fundamental difference. In the Mahabhrata, Arjun fought against the very people (and their army) who had done wrong. In Gujarat, the violence was directed not at the people who committed the atrocities at Godhra, but at innocent women and children who had nothing to do with Godhra, other than being Muslim. Even Krishna must have wept to see this done in His name.

K.Venugopal Friday, February 16, 2007 9:06:07 PM
Dear Shersingh, What you say is right, even Krishna must have wept. What happened in Godhra and its consequence was a tragedy. The guilty ones are those who set fire to the train bogeys. All reports have suggested that it was Muslims who set the fire. Am I saying therefore it was right for Hindus to have attacked innocent Muslims? Never. Alas, we are not simply individuals without communal identity tags, though spirituality ought to lead us to be individuals without any community tag. But how many have reached this level? At least at the Vedanta teaches this. Unfortunately, Islam no where teaches you can be an ideal individual without being a member of the Muslim community. Unlike Vedanta, Islam does not liberate the individual from all identities but seeks to trap the individual in a communal identity (I use communal in the sense of community). This has, historically, caused the hardening of communal identities of non-Muslims also. So long as these identities remain, in a communal riot the guilty is not an individual, but the 'other' community, including innocents. Kurukshetra was not communal in nature, but Dharmic in nature, that is, violence to uphold righteousness and harmony – and it needed divinity personfied in the form of Krishna to execute it.