A response to Jumbo Jumbo's call to "Infi and Gang" to change the topic

Friday, February 23, 2007
A response to Jumbo Jumbo's call to "Infi and Gang" to change the topic
Dear Jumbo Jumbo, I understand your point of view. The peacemaker is the most noble of men.

In this particular case, Infidel has only been questioning. Hindus are more philosophers than academicians and are more comfortable with reconciliation of opposing points of view. However, philosophers tend to gloss over matters and a reality check is often called for. Infidel questioned the circumstances Mohammad’s marriage to Ayesha, wondering whether it squares up with the claim of Mohammad being the exemplar of mankind. He also analysed the claims of Quran on conception, pointing out similarities with Greek works on the subject and a mismatch with modern day scientific opinion. He touched on many other subjects seeking an honest discussion with Muslims. His stand, based on ground covered so far, is that the Quran is not the work of Allah but Mohammad.

If Infidel has been going around with a microphone in the public posing his questions, you would be right in saying that thereby a breach of peace would occur. But in the medium of the internet on a blog format, the discussion is restricted to those who wish to enter into it. Therefore the peacemaker has no role as no peace is breached. What is occurring is only the exercise of the individual’s freedom of expression, be it questioning or justifying.

As they say, it is not what you do that is often the issue, but when, where and how you do it. I think NDTV blogsphere is a mature enough forum to stand all sorts of questioning and also a forum where only those interested participate, unlike a public-microphone affair where often views are broadcast uncalled for.
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Infidel Friday, February 23, 2007 8:56:46 AM
Dear Venu, YOu write very well. I couldn't do better than that. Thanks brother.

Infidel Friday, February 23, 2007 10:36:29 PM
Thanks ajmal, for accepting the truth that MO was a pedophile. I quote your comment here as:"I AGREE THAT NAOOZU BILLAH HE WAS PAEDOPHIL" ajmal.rashid Friday, February 23, 2007 9:46:55 AM You got it right ajmal, now you are very close to the whole truth. Congrats.

jj Saturday, February 24, 2007 1:56:30 AM
i am neither a peace maker nor a war monger. i was just trying to prevent things from getting cancerous and cantenkerous

infidel Saturday, February 24, 2007 7:39:57 AM
Dear brother JJ,What can be a bigger cancer than islam and its zombies. You can see these bigots following their cult truly all over the world by blowing up themselves and hundreds of thousands of innocents with them.There is no term as MODERATE MUSLIMS that is a taqiyya to fool people. The only aim is to spread islam throughout the world or kill infidels to make ummah bigger.

K.Venugopal Sunday, February 25, 2007 4:08:32 PM
Infidel, as usual, has hit the nail right on the head.

Friday, February 23, 2007
infi and gang ---- pl change your topic
infi and others
ever since you ppl started your islam bashing, ndtv forum has become over crowded and saturated with your stuff.
this is totally sick and unnecessary. the common man is more concerned about his next meal than about religion.
no person has the right to comment on another person's faith. it is the most childish and immature thing to do. differences of opinion will always there.
i have differences with my brothers and friends almost everyday. thats doesnt make us enemies. one doesnt become a hindu or a muslim just by being born to hindu or muslim parents.
it is only when you sincerely practise your religion that you become a real devotee of god. a truly religious person will never have even the slightest trace of hatred in his heart.
by spewing more and more venom in this forum what exactly are you trying to achieve ?
the same question to all muslim friends who write about ram and krishna.
long ago i used to do this kind of blogging. but my conscience revolts against it and here is an earnest appeal to all of you to stop this.
this is definitely not the way to move forward. we are all sons of the same soil and our destinies are inevitably interwined. if we were to keep abusing each other, what hope do we have of a good future.
violece begets violence, hatred begets hatred. it is the innocents who get caught in this vicious cycle.
infi --- just let go. remeber the lord's promise
yadha yadha hi dharmasya glanihi bhavathi bharatha
abhyukthaanam adharmasya thadhaathmaanam srujaamyaham
if dharma needs to be protected. the lord himself has a mechanism to do it.
dont worry. just forget and forgive. reconcile to the past.
it is only the truly strong and brave who have the courage to forget and forgive.
so just let go of prophet mohammed and islam. that will do you a world of good.
cheers
jumbo
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perfektm Friday, February 23, 2007 1:37:50 AM
lets change it Jumbo..what do you think of this ?cultureforall.blogspot.com/2007/02/from-ashes-of-burned-train.html--PM
amardeep Friday, February 23, 2007 2:23:58 AM
ndia.jj you patience has run out but not muslims to kill indians. your patience has run out and muslims will celebrate. how long will we have our patience and look at what have muslims done in india.i will comment and will continue to bash filthy muslims till the blood is red.do you think muslims will ever ever stop their filthy activities.
jj Friday, February 23, 2007 2:51:56 AM
amardeep. this is not the way to go about. i will trust a good human being. as a hindu i am not going to trust a human being just because he is a hindu and i am not going to distrust a person just because he is a muslim

In reply to Muneer's Valentine's Day blog - a Shiva Ratri blog.

Thursday, February 15, 2007
In reply to Muneer's Valentine's Day blog - a Shiva Ratri blog.

Dear Muneerka,

You have accused me of maligning Islam. Can you give me a single specific instance where I have maligned Islam, quoting my words?

You claim yourself to be a moderate and even secular Muslim because you have served mutton biriyani to Brahmins clandestinely on Eid. Now we have one more definition of pseudo-secularism! Our politicians do the same sort of thing by attending Iftar parties and getting a secular tag.

Naturally you saw a dark side to emergency because your co-religionists were the targets of “neutering”. If others only were targeted, would emergency have been perfect for you?

About skewed man-women ratio due to aborted female-foetus, are you saying it is skewed vis-a-vis the 1 man 4 wives formula of Islam?

Your view that India was a “shining” example of religious intolerance during the BJP rule is not matched by facts. The over-6 years BJP rule was the period with the least religious riots in independent India’s history, except what happened due to Godhra. And Godhra was caused not by the BJP but by fanatic Muslims. The days of the ‘meek-Hindu’ are gone, my friend. Hindus have learnt the lessons of partition caused by Islamic intolerance, though it took them some time.

In your article you seem to be swearing by “secular India” (why did you put it in inverted commas?). Can you tell me whether Islam believes in secularism?

You quote Staines murder as a great crime by Hindus when the unfortunate incident happened in the backdrop of on-going conversion attempts. You seem to grudge the Hindus the right to save their flock from depletion when Islam has given a blank cheque to kill any Muslim leaving the flock. Have a sense of proportion, Muneerka.

The raping of Christian nuns in Madhya Pradesh was later on discovered to be done by Christians themselves, according to both official and independent reports. Talking of rapes of nuns, when Pakistani army entered Kashmir immediately after partition, it was unexpected and India was not prepared. By the time India assembled the troops and landed in Kashmir (where the runway was cleared by RSS cadres), the Pakistani soldiers had taken control of much of Kashmir. It is said that the Pakistanis would even have reached Srinagar by then had not their soldiers stopped by at a monastery to rape all the nuns there.

Hindus do not forcibly convert anyone, which is why Hindu sanyasis are welcomed in all societies all over the world.

You have conceded that a convert remains a convert through help given. It is the material temptation that is the magic wand of conversion.

We have no worry about Hindus accepting any or all religions or no religion. That is what Hinduism teaches - Truth is one and is expressed variously. But conversion is not acceptance. Conversion says, my religion is true, yours is false. This is against the Hindu grain and the Hindu will naturally organize against conversions.

I agree with you that Parzania should not be banned. Since you were a movie going fan of Rajesh Khanna days, you might remember in those days a film called “Death of a Princess” was made on the story of 19-year old Princess Mish'al, a great niece of the Saudi King and her 20-year-old lover, the son of a senior Saudi general, who were both publicly executed, all because they took a Valentine’s Day break! Well, I was in Muscat when the film was released and I saw the film, which was banned in the Gulf, on VCR. So, likewise, half of Gujarat must have already seen Parzania, thanks to the ban. I say there should be no bans of any kind, including ban on depiction of Mohammad. But you are questioning even my right to write on Mohammad. So who’s for freedom?

About the Parsis, do not forget that when they were persecuted in Islamic lands, it was a Hindu King of India who gave them refuge and to this day they are pleased with the Hindus. They are India’s most exemplary citizens. Hindus simply love Parsis and the Parsis know it. They have enhanced India as sugar enhances milk. The irony is that people who came from abroad have merged into the Indian culture whereas people who were always in India have taken to foreign ways upon a change in the mode of worship.

In Malegaon, can you please tell me why Muslims themselves put bombs in the mosque? Understand that it is not RSS who is your enemy but your masters in Pakistan. All bombs will cease in India when Indian Muslims cut off their umbilical cord to Pakistan.

Bharath is for all children of Bharath Mata, irrespective of religion. If Vande Mataram is presently too difficult to digest due to too much indoctrination of the Wahaibi school of thought in Islam, then at least start with “Maa Tujhe Salaam” of A.R. Rehman or “Sare Jahan Se Accha Hindusthan” of Mohd. Iqbal.

It is funny you should blame the Hindu leaders for the Kashmir problem. The Kashmir problem has been caused by Pakistan exploiting the inherent intolerance of other religions by Islam. Remove intolerance in Islam and you will have no Kashmir problem. But since you are not supposed to change a single comma in the Quran, India will have no choice but to keep its Army in full measure there.

And how convoluted your logic is. You blame Hindu leaders for even the creation of Bangladesh when Bangladesh was created because Islam could not retain both wings of the country and West Pakistan wanted to force Urdu on East Pakistan.

Since your mind is rooted in the 7th century history, you have probably missed the historical fact that it was the great Atal Behari Vajpayee who initiated the peace process. So why should Hindutva forces derail it? Hinduism’s greatest strength is its ability to syncretize. We welcome the prospect of Akhand Bharath!

You call for “peaceful co-existence with Muslims”. Whom are you calling? The Hindus? Other communities? Are you talking of a pact or a friendship agreement? You have this concept of peaceful co-existence because you think that Muslims are a separate nation residing in India, without being able to digest the fact that Muslims or whoever are children of Bharath Mata and therefore it is not peaceful co-existence we should be talking about (as if we are two separate nations seeking to have friendly relations) but recognition of our nationhood as children of Bharath Mata.

We do not have problems with Muslims as citizens of India or human beings. They are as good or bad as any other citizen of India. We also have absolutely no problems with that Arab who lived in the 7th century and founded Islam. We have problems only with Islam saying that it alone is the true religion and all other religions are false - this stand is the root cause of terrorism.

Hinduism encourages the questioning of all scriptures and gives freedom to an individual to accept it only if he or she is comfortable with it. But it does not give any one the freedom to suggest that there is only one way to God. If someone believes that Quran was the work of Mohammad and not Allah, it is his right to believe so. If you want such a person to change his mind, you can try convincing him in a civilized way. The final choice is his. You should not have any problems with it.

You need not change anything to suit anyone requirements. But you should equally accept that you cannot call for someone to change his opinion to suit your comfort.

By saying that Quranic verses should be looked at in proper context (which context again, I suppose, should be looked at from a bigger context), you are also admitting that none of the verses of the Quran can stand alone. With the same logic I say, the Quran and Mohammed should be looked at in the proper context, the context of man striving towards his destiny of divinity and scriptures, religions and its founders being expressions of that striving.
However, you say that you have all along been reading the Quran without understanding the context. I wonder what they taught you in the Madrassas?

I congratulate you on taking a deeper interest in Islam but warn you against the pitfalls of terrorism, as happened to the Taliban. I suggest you study Islam in the context of Advaita – the broadest of possible contexts.

You say only you, as a Muslim, stand by what you wrote. I, as a Hindu, also stand by what I wrote. I challenge you to prove, by contacting NDTV and finding out the source from where the comment in my name about blowing up mosques and killing 1000 Muslims originated. I challenge you to prove it. If you are unable to prove it, you should accept my denial that I wrote, which denial you yourself have published in your blog. I stand by every word I write and I have a record of every word I have written. You also allege that I have insulted your Prophet. How have I? Do clarify. So go through my blogs, most of which indeed have to do with Islam and pinpoint where I have insulted your prophet. You should particularly read my many blogs of conversation with Ruzan Ali and note the colourful language he used against me and my restrained replies at all times. Remember, blogs cannot be written in another’s name, only comments can.

Sainiks have no right to go berserk and on rampage. But they have a right to protest against Valantine’s Day or any other day. This is a democratic country. Not an Islamic country where during Ramzan you are forced to fast along with Muslims (if you depend on the hotels for food) even though you are not a Muslim.

About mixing religion with politics, Hinduism only mixes it, but for Islam, politics is the very goal of its existence – to create the Um of Islam with Shariat as its constitution. Can you deny this?

About sex and religion, the Tantrics connect it. But what has that got to with one-night stands at the BPOs?, as if only Hindus work in BPOs.

You say “Islam creates a barrier between men and women”. Well said.

Please tell me the circumstances of your meeting Jack Straw. I think you are just name-dropping!

You claim that you are a moderate Muslim and yet you support the Australian Imam who suggested anyone not “covered-up” is inviting rape.

If a London school is objecting to anyone wearing Hijaab, what should be your problem? Don’t you already have the freedom to dress as you like in India, thanks to the broad minded Hindu culture? Therefore propagate the Hindu culture.

I am glad you said that RSS is pushing moderate Muslims to study Islam better, though even without the RSS you should study Islam better. Alhamdu Lillah, all RSS swayamsevaks will go to Paradise on the day of Allah’s judgement because they made many Muslims study Islam better!

You say Islam preaches tolerance only till a certain point. According to me it does not preach tolerance at all. If you are appearing tolerant now, it is only because Islam is a minority in India and the rest of the world.

You say even your family comes only next to your religion. This is not a surprise. After all, Allah has created you for you to obey Him and for no other purpose, right? Being a slave and all that. And Allah has given ample directions in the Quran for you to kill the Kafirs. So find any excuse and execute Allah’s will.

You say no human force can stop the spread of Islam. Don’t forget that a greater force than Islam exists and that is Christianity. You tickle them the wrong way and you’ve had it. And then there is Hinduism, the longest running culture in human history. My prediction is that before long Hinduism will swallow Islam. They will repeat what Shiva did long ago. But that’s another story for another day.

About questioning the Muslims’ faith or patriotism, I assure you that I would never question the Muslims’ faith nor have I ever done so, for I believe that faith moves mountains (you got the meaning of the proverb wrong the last time and talked about moving Himalayas to Japan and Mount Fuji to India!) About patriotism, it is my national right to question the activities of Pakistani agents in India. I hope you are not one of them, though you have indirectly let out that you have NDF connections (in case readers do not know, NDF is a rabid Muslim terrorist organization in Kerala who are responsible for the murder of 8 poor Hindu fishermen in Marad in Kerala).

You say religion should be a personal affair. Thanks for saying it. I think after blogging all these weeks with Hindus, you are unconsciously coming around to the Hindu point of view, for Islam does not believe that religion should be a personal affair.

As I told Ruzan Shah in an earlier blog, the state in India has never sponsored any religious attacks. Because if it did, as the state apparatus in India is overwhelming in the hands of Hindus, Muslims would have become a micro-minority community in India.

I do not know of any Swami-Mullah nexus. Please enlighten with facts.

Please remember that India is a model secular democracy because India is a Hindu majority country. The day it becomes a Muslim majority country, secularism will cease. Can you deny this?

If Islamic banking means no interest on deposits but a share in the profits or loss of the bank, then it is upto the Reserve Bank of India to say if it would be ideal banking. I understand there are Swiss Banks which not only do not give interest, but require you to pay them to put your money in their banks, which a lot of crooks do and it gives the banks huge profits.

About Infidel spitting venom on Mohammad or Islam, everyone knows that he was having a decent debate with Learner and Human and even you appreciated it. Suddenly it was you, being unable to answer his questions, though it was not asked to you directly, who turned nasty. And when you used foul language, he did not want to lag behind. Obviously he does not subscribe to Jesus view of turning the other cheek. He is more Islamic in fact – an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.

You talk of ending meaningless debates. When have you ever debated? You have either evaded issues or used foul language. Anyway, I accept your call to move on to more enlightened thoughts. I suggest, for a beginning, we debate on whether we are separate from God or we are actually God!

If you are talking about Islam bashing, you better define what is Islam bashing. Because you seem to have limited views on freedom of expression and we, as Hindus, are unlikely to give up our right to freedom.

You warn of the great curse of religious intolerance. Islam introduced religious intolerance.
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syeedunsyd Thursday, February 15, 2007 10:01:50 AM
I dont think you even understand what you are writing. your reply is just a story, a story which is based on your own created ideas and not on facts. what you are writing is altogether different from facts. Do not blame any person or any religion. try to learn a good part of it if you can. if you cant, then do not write anything without knowing the facts.
Infidel Thursday, February 15, 2007 10:06:19 AM
Dear venu, Again you proved that you are a gem of this blogsphere. I am thankful that you explained muneer in a way he deserves

K.Venugopal Thursday, February 15, 2007 10:37:20 PM
Dear Syeedunsyd, In order to sincerely learn from my mistakes, I request you to please point out where my writing is not based on facts.
K.Venugopal Thursday, February 15, 2007 10:59:08 PM
Dear Infidel, You have proved that infidels are no pushover the believers think infidels are. In fact if the believers are not blinded by fury due to the temerity of an infidel to question their dogma, they would see you as a partner in their understanding of Islam.

sage Friday, February 16, 2007 3:21:35 PM
hey muslim syeed- read the above blog, comment in a logical way , if you differ form what is written by venu, write about what you differ, not what you have written. do be deaf dumb and blind.
dumbo Friday, February 16, 2007 6:01:53 PM
Venu,You quoted "My prediction is that before long Hinduism will swallow Islam. They will repeat what Shiva did long ago. But that’s another story for another day."Among the signs of the end of the world or Judgement Day...There will be no muslims on the earth and all will be non muslims when the HOUR comes!So your wish of Hinduism swallowing Islam will happen one day! SO keep cool.

K.Venugopal Friday, February 16, 2007 10:45:12 PM
Dear Dumbo, By swallowing Islam I meant that Hinduism's famed syncretic powers will transform Islam from a dogmatic religion to a spiritual religion like Sufism. Please inform me where in the Quran it is said there will be no Muslims on earth when the hour comes?

Israel leads the way

Tuesday, February 13, 2007
Israel leads the way
[The following news item was so startling that I thought I would do a cut and paste job for our readers.]
Israel Invites 300 Pandits to Pray for National Security2/13/2007 4:57:27 AM Surinder Attri
Israel invites 300 Vaidik Hindu Pandits to undertake collective chanting (Samuhik Namajap) for National Security. Israel has invited 300 Hindu Pandits to undertake collective chanting (Samuhik Namajap) for protecting of Israel. They are waiting for their visas. These Pandits are not just knowledgeable in Vedas and Sanskrit, but they are also followers of the Vedic lifestyle. jpost.com has already published a news article relating to this.
Compare Israeli Government that tries every possible alternative with an open mind for National Security, to the Nidharmi Bharat Sarkaar which ignores the treasures of knowlegde hidden within its own land! Why must God grace this Government and the people that have elected it ? Spiritual Science Research Foundation has done extensive research in various types of such collective chanting.Dr. Alex Kutei, an expert in "Technology and Nature's laws" in the Institute for Science and Creative Intelligence at Hozen, Israel has been doing Spiritual Practice as mentioned in the Vedas for the past 31 years."I will soon establish Israel as an invincible Nation with the help of Vedanta. Yoga and Namajap especially collective Namajap mentioned in the Vedas has the capacity of creating frequencies which foster National Unity and Peace, besides physical fitness." , says Dr. Kutei. The planned collective chanting has to be done in exact manner prescribed in the Vedas. The number of priests doing the chant should be 1% that of 0.01% of total population of the Nation. In case of Israel the number comes to 300.This is in fact just the peak of the whole mountain range. H.H. Dr. Jayant Athavale, founder, Sanatan Sanstha has said that the demand for Vaidik Sanskrit knowing Spiritual Seekers would exponentially increase globally from 2006 onwards right upto 2018. After 2018 sanskrit knowing people would have to be sent all over the world to spread the message of Spirituality and Gurukrupayoga.
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Lalu Leela Tuesday, February 13, 2007 10:05:28 PM
In the muslim-dominant district of Malappuram in Kerala, Hindu priests who does yagna is in very high demand nowadays. It is said that many priets are making more than a lakh of ruppes a month doing pujas in muslim homes (secretly of course!!!!).
jj Tuesday, February 13, 2007 10:08:57 PM
that was very inspiring indeed
K.Venugopal Tuesday, February 13, 2007 10:19:36 PM
Dear Lalu Leela, What you say is true. This happens largely when Muslims who have gone to Gulf and made big money come back and buy the huge houses of former Hindu landlords. These would be houses which have traditional pooja rooms and Muslims do 'Brahma Rakshas' poojas to ward of the ill effect of no longer doing poojas there. It used to be said that Muslims were afraid of only two things in Malapuram, one, Brahma Rakshas and two, RSS!

RADHAKRISHNAN.C Wednesday, February 14, 2007 10:06:09 PM
Dear Venu,Keep up the good work.In spite of stones placed in your path you still keep going and really appreciate your never die attitude.Keep up the good work.Dont be distracted by what people like muneer utter about your blogs.Very informative

Muneerka's Valentine's Day blog and some thoughts.

Tuesday, February 13, 2007
Muneerka's Valentine's Day blog and some thoughts.
Dear Muneerka, What you are saying in essence is that no one should question Islam in its onward march to world conquest. You are repeating a lie many times in the hope that it will stick on me, in spite of the fact that you yourself quoted my denial. However, let me remind you that all over the world the face of terrorism is today Islam. If you want to live in peace, it is this image that must change. But instead you have the guts to ask Hindus not to question your religion and live in a censored situation, as prevails in all Muslim countries in the world.

You talk about secularism. Do you know that secularism means accepting that there are many paths to God.? Does Islam believe in this? So why don't you preach secularism in Islamic countries instead of exploiting secularism in India? You talk about Gujarat riots. Why do you deny it began after a bogey full of Hindu pilgrims were burnt to death by Muslim fanatics? Who has been putting bombs all over India? Hindus? Why, who put the bombs in Malegoan mosque? All reports indicate the Muslims did it. Your enemy is not the RSS but your Pakistani masters.

You are displaying your anger over a few blogs written. Then you better imagine the anger Hindus have for all the terrorist activities in India in the name of Islam. Kashmir is a Muslim majority country and they have passed the Shariat there. This proves that Muslims do not prefer to live under a secular constitution.

In short, what you want is to impose censorship on any questioning of Islam, which proclaims that it is the only true religion and other religions are not valid. Due to terrorism, today’s issue is Islam. To suggest that no one should respond to the issues of the day is to fear discussion. And if for you standing by your religion is more important than anything else, it will do well to remember that others too have religions and beliefs, though Islam may not credit them to be genuine.
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muneerudeen Tuesday, February 13, 2007 9:53:09 AM
And as for you pal Infi-he is a bigger liar. He picks all his articles from Anti Islam sites-right from the first one by Newman and he also thinks that he is smarter than others by a sick Questionnaire he put on the blog. Such a fake and he talks about the Prophet as if he saw him in person. Yes he will one day see our prophet when Infi burns on his funeral pyre !
muneerudeen Tuesday, February 13, 2007 9:55:29 AM
Take this example.Your boss is paying you overtime to work at night as a stenographer.And what do you do? Spend your time on the blogs and claim overtime from him.Even in daytime you blog on HIS time.Shows your character Mr Vedantist Venu !Can you refute this !
muneerudeen Tuesday, February 13, 2007 10:09:46 AM
All my comments get rearranged in the wrong order.The last comment was posted first and the first comment was posted last among the first three comments.Will be back with more
muneerudeen Tuesday, February 13, 2007 10:09:47 AM
You are again couching your words and denying your comments on Gary Kristens blog. You are a very big LIAR VENU !As for Islam conquering the WORLD-it will weather you like it or not.So you say Gujerat was a reply to Godhra. What if you guys planned it and burned the bogey with a few ram Bhats.Thats what the commission report said.So only what you say counts-others dont ?
K.Venugopal Tuesday, February 13, 2007 3:00:14 PM
Dear Muneerka, I do not get any overtime, nor do I work at night as a stenographer. I have excellent relations with my boss and all of us have the liberty to blog as they please. So what's your problem?
K.Venugopal Tuesday, February 13, 2007 3:19:34 PM
Dear Muneerka, Would the riots in Gujarat have taken place if the Godhra incident did not take place? Who burnt the train bogey in Godhra? Who are all the people arrested for it? Muslims. Who are all the people who have been charged for burning the train? Muslims. Have any Hindus been arrested for burning the train? No.
RADHAKRISHNAN.C Tuesday, February 13, 2007 5:26:23 PM
No body wants to talk about Godhra.But only talk about rioting and the aftermath.Had Godhra not happened then what followed wouldnt have happened.Simply blaming others is not going to bring any peace
Infidel Tuesday, February 13, 2007 6:56:23 PM
No muneer, I never saw muhammad and don't even want to. But did you see him? May be in your "Hallucination".Its not me but your SAHIH HADITHS are talking about your holy prophet that he was a PEDOPHILE.NOw, do you mean HADITHS are also anti islamic, what a pity, muneer?Not "Sick questionnairre" but the real questions which you cannot and will not answer for whole your life. You can only do bad arguments but can NEVER refute my claims, I repeat, NEVER.Did you count how many times the words are in quran for land, sea, man and woman? OR still stuck on a typo-mistake bahar in place of barr.Go, get up and search your arabic quran and count these words and show yourself whether they are 13 for land, 32 for sea, 24 each for man and woman.And prove to yourself that you are the biggest liar on this blogsphere.
K.Venugopal Tuesday, February 13, 2007 7:44:47 PM
Dear Infidel, You are the right antidote to Muneerka who is all sound and fury but no substance.

muneerudeen Tuesday, February 13, 2007 11:28:18 PM
It is people like you ,Infidel & Venu who will drive me to such actions BUT till then hold your words ! OK ? What business have you guys to go after our Prophet ? What muslims believe is their business NOT yours .We dont butt into your temples or question your puja paat ! Its when you start we retaliate.
muneerudeen Tuesday, February 13, 2007 11:35:46 PM
I will never answer that infidel WHO is the worst enemy of ISLAM .His fate we will all hear very soon and then we will debate the happenings ! Ask him to Sleep well for the next few days TILL one when he will see things and never wake up !Now I am permitted to say that he is the worst scum on earth.
muneerudeen Tuesday, February 13, 2007 11:46:15 PM
As for substance I have seen your LOVE debates since August last year And always blasting your Venu Veda which everyone should listen to.You Sadhus go stick to your level of Sadhus and Sanyasis OK ? Dont turn on our Prophet like Infidel.You will soon hear about his fate ! Its sealed !
muneerudeen Tuesday, February 13, 2007 11:57:58 PM
There is no antidote for Infidels poisonous mind ! He is the worst scum on earth and the 21st Century Abu jahil. Some people may NOT agree with my attitude BUT its what is due to Abu Jahil of the 21st Century.He has taken on my wrath for abusing OUR prophet and ISLAM My enemies have never escaped me ! He is my enemy No 1.
Infidel Wednesday, February 14, 2007 12:29:05 AM
Great muneer, so you finally removed your hypocricy mask and declared openly that I am your enemy No. 1. Thanks buddy.Again, let me make it clear that it is not me but your own SAHIH HADITHS who say that your HOLY PRophet was a PEDOPHILE. Why to curse and abuse me? What I did? I didn't wrote or compiled HADITHS, nor wrote the HOLY QURAN.I am just quoting your HOLY QURAN AND HADITHS, that's it.It was Ayesha, who narreted in referred HADITHS and not me.So either curse Muhammad and Ayesha for their deeds if you can or the writer of QURAN AND HADITHS. Not me, okay.

Shersingh Thursday, February 15, 2007 12:02:07 AM
Dear Venu and Radha, Goddhra was a crime against humanity, but does Hinduism condone the murder of innocent women and children in retaliation?
K.Venugopal Thursday, February 15, 2007 10:18:36 PM
Dear Shersingh, There is no question of condoning violence. We must pay for violence, whatever our motive or reason. In the Mahabharatha war in the end everyone pays for it one way or the other because they indulged in violence, albeit some for Dharma. This is like all actions, even good actions, being bound by karma. Nevertheless, in the immediacy of a situation, violence is ofttimes inevitable. A truly spiritual person will have no reason to defend his life even if attacked for negative reasons. But to maintain the eternal harmony that is Dharma, the heroic ones become an instrument in the hands of spiritual forces, just as Arjuna took to violence to quell the rampaging violence of Duryodhana. “Ushnam ushname shanti.”
K.Venugopal Thursday, February 15, 2007 10:21:31 PM
Read the last line: . . . just as Arjuna took to violence to quell the rampaging violence of Duryodhana under the guidance of Krishna.

Shersingh Friday, February 16, 2007 1:46:37 AM
Dear Venu, for all your sophistry, there is a fundamental difference. In the Mahabhrata, Arjun fought against the very people (and their army) who had done wrong. In Gujarat, the violence was directed not at the people who committed the atrocities at Godhra, but at innocent women and children who had nothing to do with Godhra, other than being Muslim. Even Krishna must have wept to see this done in His name.

K.Venugopal Friday, February 16, 2007 9:06:07 PM
Dear Shersingh, What you say is right, even Krishna must have wept. What happened in Godhra and its consequence was a tragedy. The guilty ones are those who set fire to the train bogeys. All reports have suggested that it was Muslims who set the fire. Am I saying therefore it was right for Hindus to have attacked innocent Muslims? Never. Alas, we are not simply individuals without communal identity tags, though spirituality ought to lead us to be individuals without any community tag. But how many have reached this level? At least at the Vedanta teaches this. Unfortunately, Islam no where teaches you can be an ideal individual without being a member of the Muslim community. Unlike Vedanta, Islam does not liberate the individual from all identities but seeks to trap the individual in a communal identity (I use communal in the sense of community). This has, historically, caused the hardening of communal identities of non-Muslims also. So long as these identities remain, in a communal riot the guilty is not an individual, but the 'other' community, including innocents. Kurukshetra was not communal in nature, but Dharmic in nature, that is, violence to uphold righteousness and harmony – and it needed divinity personfied in the form of Krishna to execute it.

Of Hindu nudist beach and Mohammad's hair

Friday, February 9, 2007
Of Hindu nudist beach and Mohammad's hair.
Dear Muneerka, This blog is in comment to your blog “Q & Replies 3 to Jumbo Jumbo -Islam Bashers”

The genesis of hatred in the world of religion is the Semetic concept of “my religion the only true religion” and Islam is one of the fountainheads of such a concept with its believe that Quran is the last word of God.

You say the prophet of Islam does not need my defense, but irony is every time you utter his name you say (PBUH or SAW). Why so much intercession on his behalf?

When you say Allah even took Jesus from his tormentors, you are contradicting the Quranic view that Jesus did not die on the cross. So when did Allah take him to heaven?

You say Mohammad was known even among his enemies as an honest, trustworthy man. It appears he was for a long time under the control of his first wife who was elder to him. Soon after his wife died, he married a series of women and at least one pre-puberty girl as if to mark independence from the probably hen-pecked life he was leading. This proves that he was not honest even to his wife’s memory. Probably he did not leave any enemies alive to testify anything negative about him. I can make this much out based on the intolerance of Muslims even today to criticism.

The “truth” that Mohammad preached was that Islam is the only true religion. Why should we, who know better, accept this to be a truth at all?

Tell me, where did Vedas predict an honest Prophet among the Arabs? The way you put it is appears that honestly among Prophets was a rarity!

Who says we don’t have the power of ownership of India? India belongs to all children of Bharath Mata.

Honest, original and independent pursuit of truth without pre- conceived notions means meditation and reflection upon the truths that come to us as our heritage and internalizing it only if it is consistent with our experience of its veracity and not simply parroting them ad-infinitum, like, “There is only one god and Mohammad is his last messenger”.

Mohammad meditated in the Herat caves and other places and rose to a higher consciousness, from which level he produced many verses in the Quran. But it appears that he suffered from lapses (probably due to his not having a proper Guru) and this explains many of the ‘satanic’ verses in the Quran, some, but not all, of which were abrogated by later compilers of the Quran. This is a historical fact sought to be denied by the Muslims.

Hinduism believes in freedom and is not constrained by time as it believes that a practitioner has many life times to make good his potential, whereas Islam has only one lifetime for its adherents and hence the Muslim sense of frenzy vis-à-vis religion.

Rituals are not prayers, you say. Funny, but what are the happenings in Mecca during Hajj all about? Are they not rituals? Why does Islam have rituals? Are you saying Islamic rituals are valid while Hindu rituals are not?

In Ashwamedha Yagna, the horse is not killed but only halted in its free roaming, thereby challenging the King who sent the horse to roam free. In Mecca on a holy day millions of goats, cows and camels are killed in the name of Allah. Any comparison?

The basic premise of Islam is wrong. If there is a creator who cared for his creation, he would have sent an instruction manual with the so-called first prophet Adam. Muslims say God did send such a manual but with the influx of time that manual became irrelevant and others had to be sent and finally the Quran. Why finality when time did not stand still in the middle-ages?

Man and God are not separate, and if you say there cannot be higher truths and lower truths, do you mean that all the books Allah sent before the Quran were lies? If they indeed were the highest truth, why was it necessary to send the same truth again via the Quran?

Indeed a lie repeated over and over again does not become the truth nor does the truth repeated over and over again make the parrot anything more than a parrot. You have to invoke the higher consciousness in you to be a pursuer of truth.

You ask who eats the food prepared for the Gods. I ask who listens to prayers meant for Allah? If Allah has ears, why can’t the gods have mouths?

About keeping paws off married or unmarried women, you cover them in burka. (It did not, though, stop Mohammad from exercising his libido.)

For you the highest order is simply the words of Mohammad. We have not stopped ourselves from getting the benefit of continued expressions of the highest order. We were not forced to stop accepting expressions in the 7th century.

I agree Mohammad did not meditate at a stretch to get the complete truth. That is not necessary. What is required is that there is continuity. He meditated in bits and pieces and this might explain the lapses he went through, so much so that you yourself said that the Quran has verses which supercedes its earlier verses. Others of different climes meditated without lapses, like Buddha and Jesus, and have come out with truly spiritual messages.

Of course Muslims can’t aspire to be one with the creator – they have been created (brainwashed) to being slaves. It is the discovery of oil that has brought wealth to the Arabs after long centuries of poverty. Many got the taste of wealth from milking the pilgrims to Mecca from other parts of the world or smuggling gold from Dubai to Bombay. About selling land to get visa to go to Arab lands, the pioneers were the Muslims of Kerala who were at that time very poor and who used to go illegally to Dubai through launches without passport.

It is the Hindu ethos that has seen the flowering of so many communities who were persecuted in the land of Islam – the Jews, Parsis, Bahais. They are all thriving in India. In Arabic land, only Muslims communities are permitted to thrive and now they have narrowed their perspective further to allow only Sunnis to thrive. What a state of affairs..

In spite of having only the Quran, which is the same since it originated, the Sunnis and Shias are at loggerheads with each other and under many flags. Hindus, with innumerable scriptures and beliefs, are united and under one flag – the Indian flag. Jai Hind.

Why do Muslims have to kiss a stone in Mecca though they claim not to be idol worshippers? Why do they need to preserve Mohammad’s hair in a mosque in Kashmir?

About sources of knowledge, Vedas beats the Quran because Vedas were written much before the Quran. In fact an earlier scripture than Vedas has not been discovered.

Muneerka, talking about the Quran being the new Windows Vista actually means Vista of the 7th century. Bill Gates would go beyond Vista. But who is to go beyond Quran? It is forbidden.

You say, “Faith is a personal matter.” This is not true of Islam. Islam is very much a communal and political matter. Islam cannot be practiced except as a community and with political power to implement its Shariat.

Islam very much propagates itself. It has to, otherwise how would anyone know that it is the only true religion?

What do you mean by “learn the correct Islam”? Correct Islam depends on whether you are Sunni or Shia.

Muslims do not fear conversion because they have the protection of the state. In fact Islam is a state powered religion. It cannot be practiced fully unless it has a state to implement its Shariat – which is a political constitution of a so-called religion.

You say Islam does not support the theory of evolution. But it has its own theory of evolution which says that Quran is the updated and final version of scriptures, that is to say, it has evolved to completeness.

Why, did not Swami Dayanand Sarawati consider the Quran and publish his views? But when the Quran is quoted, you object, saying Quran has to be read in totality. Does that mean not a single verse of the Quran stands by itself?

Hindus have the freedom to go wherever they want, to the, as you say, nudist beach or a temple with idols. Muslims have no choice; they have to turn to the cube idol for prayers wherever they are, because God has left a piece of his magic black stone there.
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Infidel Friday, February 9, 2007 6:53:25 PM
Venu & JJ,Now we all know that this pervert Muneer is here to deceive us and when he run out of logical arguments, he will vomit his filth on us.I had make him admit that he cannot answer me because as he answers either his prophet or his own Dr Naik is wrong. Which eventually means his HOLY QURAN is dead wrong, this shameless creature is not accepting the truth and keeping on abusing me.This will happen to you guys also, whenever you will put something irrefutable to him, he will start abusing, threatening and cursing and finally will run after your families in filthiest way. That is the true nature of this DO MUNDI KA SAAP.Do you still want to continue with such a big hypocrite, liar and coward who has been exposed right in front of you? My suggestion is to be aware of him and don't waste your time with such a pervert cowardise filth, because even if you prove something on his face, he will deny it and will go on reciting ALLAH O AKBAR
hindu Friday, February 9, 2007 6:55:39 PM
excellent
Infidel Friday, February 9, 2007 7:02:06 PM
Venu,Excellent one.Please keep it up

K.Venugopal Friday, February 9, 2007 9:05:34 PM
Dear Infidel, You are right, Muneerka is evading your queries and countering it with non-relevant ones – which is surprising because you are questioning the very basis that Quran is the word of Allah. I would have thought he would move heaven and earth to counter you directly on the points you have raised, considering that Muslims are rather dogmatic about the Quran. Learner and Human carried on the debate in a civilized way. In the beginning Muneerka too chipped in with encouragements. But somewhere along the line, he went crazy, calling you names and worse. Maybe when he saw that the debate was going horribly wrong from his point of view, he just began to hate the kafirs.Dear Infidel, you’ve had a fantastic run. You are very much like the boy in the story who blurted out that the king is naked. Let’s hope someone will again take up the debate with you so that light is shed on the more pertinent aspects of the last word of Allah.

Infidel Friday, February 9, 2007 10:04:45 PM
pervert filthy mouthed muneer,Now I understood why you are after my family. Because your own family ditched you, your all 4 wives run away with hindus, your all 5 sisters married christians and your 6 daughters are under MUTTA (temporary/ one night marriages, permissible by allah, the most merciful) with Jews, which reminds you that your mother was hindu and hence you are half hindu and half muslim but actually you are fully brainwashed. You are allowed to say whatever filth you can vomit to a kafir by allah.PS: EAT YOUR SH!T BABY
muneerudeen Friday, February 9, 2007 10:21:29 PM
Allah U Akbar ! You infidels are acting just as those before you did.You cannot accept someone giving you answers to you ME-GOD-IDOL WORSHIP.Others may not reply to people like you BUT dont worry-I will be there to fill you guys in- Clean stuff -if you really want to learn _OR BULLSHI if you want to crap !
muneerudeen Friday, February 9, 2007 10:27:59 PM
As I have said I never brought family till Infidel2 compared his grandma to "the Prophet of Islam and the other blog reg his animosity towards muslims.He seems to know about islam from all the wrong sources OR half baked sources.So I suggested the authentic links-which he does not even want to try-for fear of being converted !
muneerudeen Friday, February 9, 2007 10:31:21 PM
True Venu !It was YOU who exposed your true colors as the RSS Bomber"On gods Oceans and now backtrack because you never expected me to read that. As for someone using INFIDEL 2 and Infidel and posting in that name-I beleived it to be Infi-from the commnents. So if I have been wrong about that-I accept-BUT that does not change a thing !
muneerudeen Friday, February 9, 2007 10:33:33 PM
Venu and your Swami Dayanadji's discourses . I got only 2 out of 160. Are you afraid of the answers to that ? As for your question if Quranic Verses dont stand seperately-Like I told you-It has to be in context."Eg:"Thabbath Yada Abi Lahab" s.111-1.Yusuf Ali translates it"Perish the hands of the father of flame-Perish !
muneerudeen Friday, February 9, 2007 10:35:25 PM
Now that does not make sense does it. But it was revealed in answer to the Attack on the Prophet by none other than his Qureishi Uncle Abu Lahab - when he wanted to kill his own nephew-for preaching against idolatory-which his fathers and forefathers practiced in Arabia
muneerudeen Friday, February 9, 2007 10:38:12 PM
Similarly there are stops for prostration while reading the Qur'an.Most of them were revealed in the presence of apostates and enemies who came with ill intention to harm the prophet.When those verses were revealed-even these apostates bowed down in Sajda before Allah-unbenownkst to them. Thats the power of the revelations !
Gandphat Rai Friday, February 9, 2007 10:39:03 PM
As suggested before, you please go out and practice some of the good things in your respective religions, help some people, do some charitable acts, instead of just discussing who is right and wrong. Religion is for practicing and not for hot air discussion. My gaaaand is phat gaya reading all this nonsense.
muneerudeen Friday, February 9, 2007 10:51:53 PM
Read my cut paste Job-Why orientalists Absh Islam- and find the TRUTH there. It is exactly what you guys are doing-exactly to the TEE ! you malign-the prophet-make the source of the Qur'an unworthy and then you can spread all yourcanard of lies against the QUr'an and muslims. BUT you wont get too far ! Before lon you will repent and become a muslim and beg for mercy from Allah !Like the infidels before you did ! You will realise that your characterisation of Al-Ilah is correct only in ISLAM
jj Saturday, February 10, 2007 1:08:17 AM
i would rather go to hell than to convert to a muslim.
muneerudeen Saturday, February 10, 2007 1:35:59 AM
Good descision JJ !
muneerudeen Saturday, February 10, 2007 1:45:56 AM
JJ .YES ,Thats the spirt Of conviction ! Keep it up ! If you need any help do let me know . I mean to expand your mental horizion beyond Hell & Conversion to Islam Dont get stuck with CLOTS and Al Bahar on this earth !PS: Do you know where HELL is ?? do you have a pas port or Visa ??
muneerudeen Saturday, February 10, 2007 1:50:42 AM
Rai-You call yourself Ga a nd phat and what can you expect from yourself .and please change your ID name .If this is nonsense DONT READ SKIP IT BUDDY What I do is between me and MY Allah and he gives me the opportunity to do what I do.!So go practice some charity and Gyaanprapth yourself
Gandphat Rai Saturday, February 10, 2007 2:20:18 AM
Muneeruddin, nonsense is the useless arguments with infidel and venugopal etc, everyone trying to show other wrong. It is enough if you practice your beliefs and be happy, same also for infidel etc. Looks like you are more interested in pulling others down instead of following the commandments of your respective prophets. I am not intersted in gyanprapth, only in silai for my gaaand phat.
RADHAKRISHNAN.C Saturday, February 10, 2007 6:53:56 AM
Excellent blog Venu,keep up the good work .
K.Venugopal Saturday, February 10, 2007 9:08:27 AM
Dear Munerka, Your quotation of the verse about Abu Lahab in the Quran clarifies that Abu Lahab was an enemy of Mohammad. Mohammad in return cursed Abu Lahab. A natural response. Please tell me what the verse teaches you. No Quran is required to teach any human to behave naturally. What scriptures attempt to do is to take man to higher heights from his current natural state. Therefore, in preaching the Quran, what lessons have the commentators drawn from this verse in the Quran? This is the key question and key point. Or is the verse just a statement of an event that took place? I am sure everything can be put in perspective by one who has got into the spirit of the Quran. The same is with all scriptures. Therefore do not claim that Islam is the only true religion and Quran is the last word of God.
K.Venugopal Saturday, February 10, 2007 9:13:32 AM
Dear Muneerka, You have again decried idol worship without explaining what a piece of meteorite is doing in your great cubic idol in Mecca or Mohammad's hair in a mosque in Kashmir.
Roger Saturday, February 10, 2007 7:41:03 PM
Venugopal, is knowledge and learning an end in itself? Or is it only the means to an end? A learned man who does not apply his knowledge for the greater good, is he any better than the rest, who either don't know or dont care? Is knowledge of doctrine greater than practice of the teachings?
Infidel Saturday, February 10, 2007 9:30:53 PM
Dear Venu, You rightly said that sura 111 (lahab) is nothing but a curse from muhammad. HOw it shows divinity? Only blind followers will see divinity in it. It never said nor meant that Lahab will die as unbeliever, simply a curse from muhammad to his enemy Lahab. Since muhammad was powerless in mecca at that time.You can find the detailed analysis of these sura 111 in part 6 of the debate,regards
RADHAKRISHNAN.C Saturday, February 10, 2007 10:26:30 PM
Dear Mr.Venu you do your home work thoroughly and then come to blog.The others dont seem to do their home work,and are at the recieving end.Any way great blog.Keep it up
muneerudeen Saturday, February 10, 2007 11:50:37 PM
Venuji has all the time in the world at NIGHT- sitting in his employers office in FORT Mumbai and typing away on the net. WE HAVE other things to do. Yet I am not going to let a bunch of Hindu Fanatics-abuse ALL MUSLIMS !
muneerudeen Sunday, February 11, 2007 1:00:11 AM
Venu & Infi & HinduPlease understand that when I dont know-I say I dont know-I dont couch it in Semantics like Venu OR stick like a Clot like Infi ! I will learn about it and reply later.If you dont have the patience then dont ask the questions. You question my faith and you get the answer that I Know !
Infidel Sunday, February 11, 2007 11:14:12 PM
It looks you are learning some decency. Learn it from Human & learner.You really don't know much about islam and need to know alot more. Put your energy in positive direction and sincerely learn islam if you really want to.Since you admitted that you are learning ABC of islam, you are not at all in a position to answer my questions. Better while learning islam, try to find out the answers of those questions.By abusing, cursing, impersonating, you are wasting your time and energy. that is not going to help you or us.So far you couldn't answer a single question from me, so please read quran and hadith more and more, you will find the truth.By evading the questions you are basically deceiving yourself. You know that by answering them, you will loose your faith in islam, so you are avoiding them.
Infidel Sunday, February 11, 2007 11:26:30 PM
That is known as "DENIAL FROM TRUTH".Now please dont start your abusing here.No human being is a CLOT in any stage of embryo, but you can insult yourself and your islam by writing more and more about it. Each time you write rub*ish, you show that you are ignorant and your quran is fake.Please read and understand what I write and don't start impostering and impersonating again.It is a sincere advice from a friend. It is upto you to accept it or show your islamic widom by abusing again.
muneerudeen Sunday, February 11, 2007 11:48:31 PM
Denial From Truth ? Impostering ?sincere advice ? LOOK who's talking.I however have to thank Infi since I have learnt a lot by reading the Biography of the prophet in the past days. I understand the attitude of infidels and apostates and aethists of the 21st century are far than the attitude of the 7th century infidels !

K.Venugopal Monday, February 12, 2007 8:47:28 PM
Dear Roger, It has to be understood that when we talk about something, we are talking only from the level of our present knowledge. We know that there are innumerable people who have far greater knowledge than us, in each and every subject we may bring up. Then again there is the wealth of knowledge lying in the many books of mankind that are our greatest heritage. In these books, the best of men say, are layers and layers of knowledge even in the same set of words. And last but not least, great masters have spoken of Gnostics and beyond, people who have minds or personalities of a different dimension. Therefore when we talk of knowledge and learning, there is no end to it. For us knowledge may be a means to some end. But the highest of knowledge may be an end in itself, where the knower finds no need to do anything. In a situation which we might think calls for emergency action, a realized soul might see a significance which we with lesser knowledge might not recognize and chose not to do anything. Ever wonder why God does not intervene in the affairs of men now-a-days? Maybe He knows something we don't!

K.Venugopal Monday, February 12, 2007 8:49:57 PM
Dear Radhakrishnanji, Thanks for your encouragement.

K.Venugopal Monday, February 12, 2007 8:52:27 PM
Dear Muneerka, I think you are being unfair. When have I abused Muslims? Aren't we having a decent conversation on Islam and Hinduism? - never mind the colourful language that seems to creep in now and then. But that's the nature of this blog format, where anyone can impersonate anyone. I feel it in my gut that Muneerka is a decent person and therefore I discount all gibberish that is written in his name. Consider all this preliminary. One day we shall sit on the banks of Chaliyar by your Dad's social service unit and seek to see the face of God. Inshallah!

K.Venugopal Monday, February 12, 2007 8:58:45 PM
Dear Infidel, There is just one word to describe you - formidable. Your blog comments are, I have no doubt, the most eagerly awaited ones on NDTV blogsphere. Remarkable.

Infidel Wednesday, February 14, 2007 12:04:12 AM
Thanks venu, for your kind words.Muneer, It is really good that you started reading Md's biography. I hope you will learn something there and will come to the blogs with some substance as Venu described you in the best manner "all sound and fury but no substance".And muneer, don't forget to read that muhammad was a pedophile who bonked little ayesha at 9. You can have hadith numbers from my last blog. Best of luck for your knowledge gaining, hopefully truth also.

muneerudeen Thursday, February 15, 2007 1:52:34 AM
SanjibRead the comments on Sanjibs They lived happily frog blog and read the comments of those same guys on a blog called ISRAEL SHOWS THE WAY & you decide WHO the people really are.They profess secularism BUT are rabid Hindutva preachers. Please recognize those wolves' in Sheeps clothing .At leaset we profess our pride in ISLAM BUT they say ALL Dharmas are the same and privately follow their Hindutva agenda.

K.Venugopal Thursday, February 15, 2007 10:30:24 PM
Dear Muneerka, You profess pride in Islam which is intolerant of other religions and I profess pride in Hinduism which accepts all religions. History has shown that when Hindus swayed the world, the world reached the pinnacle of culture, but when Islam swayed the world, the world was blood drenched.

Islamising the Constitution

Thursday, February 8, 2007
Islamising the Constitution.


There was a news item today that a select committee of the Jammu and Kashmir Assembly has adopted a private member’s bill seeking the application of Shariat to Muslims of Jammu and Kashmir. While the Indian constitution has given the freedom of religious worship or non-worship to all its citizens, the only constitution it expects Indians to be loyal to is the Indian constitution. In calling for a Uniform Civil Code (a code of civil rights uniform for all citizens), the constitution is clear that it shall not permit the diluting of any citizen’s civil rights guaranteed by the constitution.

So what is the significance of the attempts to adopt the Islamic constitution in India? Shariat is a sine qua non for Muslims, but it cannot be fully practiced without the authority of the State. The Legislative Assembly, if it passes the Shariat, is in effect making the secular democratic state of India a partner to the implementation of Islam. With aggressive ‘Shariatisation’ of the captive Muslim community, the Indian state is inviting its own Shariatisation. This would spell the end of democracy and secularism in India.

The Government of India must immediately intervene to stop this pernicious game-plan to Islamise India. The
Apex Courtshould take suo-motto notice of the activities of the Jammu and Kashmir Assembly in this direction. The Government of Jammu and Kashmir must be forthwith dismissed.
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RADHAKRISHNAN.C Thursday, February 8, 2007 10:42:21 PM
Good and timely warning to G.O.I.about what their chief ministers intentions are.When Afzal could not be saved from the gallows,They are trying to go around to the back door and enter from behind.Its high time the Govt of India sat up and took notice of things happening behind their back.

muneerudeen Friday, February 9, 2007 1:25:58 AM
NO COMMENTS- i Will wait for the Judicial View before commenting. BUT you guys go ahead and Tear it Apart AND solve the Kashmir Issue with its people !

Masqueraders and writers - attempts to derail the questioning of Islam.

Thursday, February 8, 2007
Masqueraders and writers - attempts to derail the questioning of Islam.
In a blog on Monday, December 25, 2006 titled "bajrangi or terrorist" posted by garry kristan, someone masqueraded my name and commented the following:
K.Venugopal Thursday, January 11, 2007 1:31:51 PMTo protect our Hindu religion it is okay to kill hundreds of Christians and thousands of Muslims. As another person said, to dump Islamic terrorism we need to have these Bajrang Dal. And there is nothing wrong to blast a mosque with hundreds of muslims. Well, they would like it because they can name it as Shaheed! So, let me see what a muslim can answer for these blog! If you ask me. There should be only religion and that should be Hindu because Hinduism is culture of acceptance - accepting that there are many ways to God and God appears in many ways. Jai Bajrang Dal! And we hindu brother must be always UNITY!
The grammar shows it is a miscreant on the job. Muneerudeen was pretty upset by it. But it is certain some agent provocateur wrote it, for, being unable to answer logical questioning of Islam, his anger boiled over and bent on revenge, he plotted this comment. However, I, an incorrigible lover of freedom, am not disturbed by such attempts. I have noted that some people often retort to the tatic of "giving a dog a bad name and hanging it".
Since my only aim has been to exercise my freedom to write, I shall continue to write whenever and as long as I can write, irrespective of masqueraders lurking.
Since Muneerka has been genuinely shocked to see his "old" friend turn suddenly into a terrorist, and I wrote somewhat condemning him for calling me a terrorist without knowing he had a sane reason to do so, I am wont to apologise, but since the wrong doing is not my handiwork, I stop short of apologising and urge him to continue the debates.
Muneerka, come back. There was never a dull moment with you on board!


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jj Thursday, February 8, 2007 10:31:20 PM
that was nice gesture. people must resist impersonation. that is totally unacceptable to use such horrible words in a public forummuneer should definitely be back with a bangshame on you gary kristan. just get lost
K.Venugopal Thursday, February 8, 2007 11:00:09 PM
Dear jj, Actually it makes no difference to me if someone impersonates me and says nasty things. My personality does not come into the picture at all. My name is not me. What is important is my writing and I would know which is my writing, won't I? There is also a moral here. We should take words on face value, not on the reputation of the writer. So question me or whoever, if the writing betrays merit. Likewise, question even Vedas and Quran, even if Allah is the author. Never go by personalities, go by principles. All men's feet are made of clay, as they say.