Monday, August 21, 2006
Reply to Mr. Ruzan Shah
Dear Ruzan Shah,
You say Islam gives even and equal rights to all the religions. It does not. In the Quran 3:85 it says: “And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers.”
Also you say Islam gives you the choice of following it if you like it or following another path if you don’t. If it really did, it would not have the concept of apostasy in its teachings, i.e., if you leave Islam you will be put to death.
Is Saudi Arabia an Islamic state? Anyone who has been there will testify to the fact that Saudi Arabia does not allow Churches or Temples to be put up in public places, while every nook and corner has a mosque.
While the BJP is a political party functioning well within the constitutional parameters of our country, VHP is an organisation working to instil Hindu consciousness among Hindus, who are by and large a disunited lot. RSS, on the other hand, is not a religious organisation. Its aim is to arouse patriotism in the hearts of all Indians so that we will not fail to identify the traitors amongst us who work for foreign agents trying to dismember the nation.
Godhra, as per the sequence of events reported alike in all the media across the globe, began after Hindus were burnt alive by Muslims. When the majority reacts against the minority, naturally the effects will be monstrous, whether there is a Modi or not.
About the caste system, over a period of time all systems get corrupted. Likewise, the caste system too got corrupted. In the modern times, the best of Hindu savants have always called for Hindu unity not on the basis of caste, but on the teachings of spirituality.
As you said, not all Hindus are bad and not all Muslims are bad. It is the bad folks amongst us who cause all the trouble. In fact, both Hindus and Muslims and Christians and Jews and Chinese and Americans and who have you are all basically alike because we are all human beings. Even all the scriptures of the world are only for the good of man, if properly interpreted. The problem is with people who interpret the scriptures narrow-mindedly. It is the broad-minded interpreters of Hinduism who have left the deepest influence on Hindus (like the teachers of Vedanta) and therefore today we have the legacy of a broad minded Hindu culture, whereas it appears that it is the narrow-minded Muslims who have had the deepest influence among the Muslims (like the Wahaibies instead of the Sufies) and therefore the Islamic culture today has become a narrow-minded one. The Hindu culture is very broad minded and democratic, accepting many ways to God and expression, whereas the Islamic culture is very narrow minded and undemocratic, saying that Islam is the only truth.
So you see, my friend, it is a matter of culture. I respect your being a Muslim, but that is only your religion. As an Indian, you ought to accept the Hindu culture and teach all Muslims to be broad-minded.
I am ready for any more discussion on this subject. My e-mail id is venu1005@hotmail.com.
With best wishes,
Venu
9:58:09 PM
Posted By VenuGopal Comment (1) Politics
Dear Ruzan Shah,
You say Islam gives even and equal rights to all the religions. It does not. In the Quran 3:85 it says: “And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers.”
Also you say Islam gives you the choice of following it if you like it or following another path if you don’t. If it really did, it would not have the concept of apostasy in its teachings, i.e., if you leave Islam you will be put to death.
Is Saudi Arabia an Islamic state? Anyone who has been there will testify to the fact that Saudi Arabia does not allow Churches or Temples to be put up in public places, while every nook and corner has a mosque.
While the BJP is a political party functioning well within the constitutional parameters of our country, VHP is an organisation working to instil Hindu consciousness among Hindus, who are by and large a disunited lot. RSS, on the other hand, is not a religious organisation. Its aim is to arouse patriotism in the hearts of all Indians so that we will not fail to identify the traitors amongst us who work for foreign agents trying to dismember the nation.
Godhra, as per the sequence of events reported alike in all the media across the globe, began after Hindus were burnt alive by Muslims. When the majority reacts against the minority, naturally the effects will be monstrous, whether there is a Modi or not.
About the caste system, over a period of time all systems get corrupted. Likewise, the caste system too got corrupted. In the modern times, the best of Hindu savants have always called for Hindu unity not on the basis of caste, but on the teachings of spirituality.
As you said, not all Hindus are bad and not all Muslims are bad. It is the bad folks amongst us who cause all the trouble. In fact, both Hindus and Muslims and Christians and Jews and Chinese and Americans and who have you are all basically alike because we are all human beings. Even all the scriptures of the world are only for the good of man, if properly interpreted. The problem is with people who interpret the scriptures narrow-mindedly. It is the broad-minded interpreters of Hinduism who have left the deepest influence on Hindus (like the teachers of Vedanta) and therefore today we have the legacy of a broad minded Hindu culture, whereas it appears that it is the narrow-minded Muslims who have had the deepest influence among the Muslims (like the Wahaibies instead of the Sufies) and therefore the Islamic culture today has become a narrow-minded one. The Hindu culture is very broad minded and democratic, accepting many ways to God and expression, whereas the Islamic culture is very narrow minded and undemocratic, saying that Islam is the only truth.
So you see, my friend, it is a matter of culture. I respect your being a Muslim, but that is only your religion. As an Indian, you ought to accept the Hindu culture and teach all Muslims to be broad-minded.
I am ready for any more discussion on this subject. My e-mail id is venu1005@hotmail.com.
With best wishes,
Venu
9:58:09 PM
Posted By VenuGopal Comment (1) Politics
Thanks Venu With due repect I want to say that you mis-quoted the verse in wrong sense.I dont know from where you are quoting this but you can not judge a religion neither from its followers nor from a state or any other translation of the holy book.so if any person or group of persons or any government is doing wrong that doesnt mean islam is wrong.I mean if you took it from some translated version if the author mis-understood the verse then the whole thing become wrong.The one you stated is for those who are muslim.if you are muslim you can not change or create anything new within Islam. Its forbiddenyou know why in your own words "over a period of time all systems get corrupted"thats why because people change the rules of religion for their convenience.If you are muslim you can not follow other religion.So if you really want to know the fact you should read quran in arabic.Anybody can chek what quran says about other religions"La kum di nakum wal ya din "for you your religion and for others theirsdo yours & let them do theirs.isn't this equality & even respect for all ?About sufism its not Islam & it has nothing to do with Islam.About narrow mindness my friend Islam is the only religion which talk again & again about Logic Logic & Logic use your brain use your logic thats what it says more than once in quran.tell me can I be a brahmin if I convert ?noIslam says u are not superior by birth or wealth but only by good virtues.choose the best amongs you as The Caliph and anybody can qustion the highest Islamic authority (Caliph) at any moment for anything.Is this not democratic ?Tell me why as an Indian I ought to accept your culture while I am proud of mine why ?Tell me where the word Hindu came from ?Who gave the name hindu first time ?You should know that Hinduism was first used for certain kind of people & not any religion ?If Hinduism is name of a religion whats Sanatan DharmaWhats vedantic ?
D.A.ESWAR Friday, December 29, 2006 7:56:53 AM
Ruzan ShahFrom the blogs I observe you donot know how Islam is practiced in Saudi Arabia and how Muslims in UK and USA follow their religion respecting other religions and at the same time following their religion.Hinduism, we are proud of because it has tolerance, non violence, dharma, principle Sarvatra Sama Darsana, Hindus look God not only in Hindu Gods , even in Allah, Jesus Christ or Buddha. Hinduism doesnot qualify that only Hindus will go to heaven others to hell.For millions of years even before Allah or Mohd Prophet or Jesus Christ. If you donot want to follow Hinduism that is your choice . What we Hindus request you is dont be little others, improve your community with education, livelihood and divert people from becoming terrorists and anti social elements.You may not be aware how Muslim rulers like Aurangazeb, Chenghis Khan ill treated Hindus. Hindus with their magnanimity considered Muslims as brothers and sisters inspite of ill treatment. There is no Islam or christianility in India. It is well known fact Muslim Rulers and Britishers converted Hindus as Muslims or Christians.Please create atmosphere where all can live in peace whether Hindus or Muslims or Christians instead of interpreting Islam as a great Religion when it is not so as evident from actions of followers of Islam like Osama Bin Laden,Hamas and other religious and terrorist outfits.
Ruzan ShahFrom the blogs I observe you donot know how Islam is practiced in Saudi Arabia and how Muslims in UK and USA follow their religion respecting other religions and at the same time following their religion.Hinduism, we are proud of because it has tolerance, non violence, dharma, principle Sarvatra Sama Darsana, Hindus look God not only in Hindu Gods , even in Allah, Jesus Christ or Buddha. Hinduism doesnot qualify that only Hindus will go to heaven others to hell.For millions of years even before Allah or Mohd Prophet or Jesus Christ. If you donot want to follow Hinduism that is your choice . What we Hindus request you is dont be little others, improve your community with education, livelihood and divert people from becoming terrorists and anti social elements.You may not be aware how Muslim rulers like Aurangazeb, Chenghis Khan ill treated Hindus. Hindus with their magnanimity considered Muslims as brothers and sisters inspite of ill treatment. There is no Islam or christianility in India. It is well known fact Muslim Rulers and Britishers converted Hindus as Muslims or Christians.Please create atmosphere where all can live in peace whether Hindus or Muslims or Christians instead of interpreting Islam as a great Religion when it is not so as evident from actions of followers of Islam like Osama Bin Laden,Hamas and other religious and terrorist outfits.
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