A Mohammad we do not know?

Friday, March 16, 2007
A Mohammad we do not know?
I was surprised to come across a quote in Kitab al-Athar, which was the first book composed in Islam after the generation of the Companions of Mohammad, wherein Mohammad was reported as having said, "Do not enforce your own ethics on your children; they have been created for a time other than yours." With this single quote Mohammad comes through as an enlightened one. Is there a Mohammad we do not know?
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man do something els Friday, March 16, 2007 12:26:13 AM
o man get along with life. life is beyong religon crap. when you will die god won't ask you which religion explored. be mature do something real good for society.
K.Venugopal Friday, March 16, 2007 3:31:11 PM
Dear Friend, The idea of "doing something good for society" arises on the experience of some shortcoming. Whatever the shortcoming, it needn't be so. If you are interested in pursuing this thought, we may have a discussion.

yes i am Friday, March 16, 2007 5:50:19 PM
Dear Venu,really would like to know more on that. I didn't get what you mean by "arises on the experience of some shortcoming". if you are trying to find shortcomings in religion than i will say you are wasting your time. Or may be your rich man with plenty of resources around. But for common walking on the road, religion doesnot help much. I am not sure with what context your are saying, i may be wrong or may spot on, not sure. further expalanation will surely help.
sorry sir Friday, March 16, 2007 6:03:22 PM
I am really sorry sir. I was not knowing about you. I should respect elders no matter if I have different opinion about life. I really apologise for my words. Please let forgive, I am like your son's age. Sorry sir again.
I am feeling guilty Friday, March 16, 2007 6:24:59 PM
I don't know but sir I am feeling guilty, for my words.
K.Venugopal Saturday, March 17, 2007 5:40:51 PM
Dear Friend, Your advice to ‘do something good’ rather than discuss religion is understandable. Religions have become mere identity slots because we miss its central teachings of freedom. However, though I admire your call to do something good, what is often missed is that the source of most problems is a sense of lack within us. Religious teachings say that this sense of lack is actually due to ignorance and we are in fact perfect, as is all creation or reality. It is natural for man to search for the reality of himself and his surroundings. However, as usually happens, he is distracted by the external and his concentration remains on the external. This leads him to restlessness because what he really seeks is not in the external. This restlessness, of course, is the source of all problems that inflicts society. What we really want is to be in a restful state and enjoy life to the fullest. This is possible only if we understand our true nature. It is for understanding our true nature that religion prescribes such ‘activities’ as meditation. The lessons of religion, if successfully learnt, will make us spiritual (a state of non-dependence on the external except for physical needs). When we become spiritual we would easily see that the problems in society are largely psychological in nature. They are more problems in the minds than anywhere else and more imagined than anything else. The teachings of religion free us of these psychological problems and hence the importance of religions. Therefore pursuit of religion (not of the identity-slot variety, of course) would lead us to doing good.In fact our ideal once more should be the ideal of the ancient sages – simple living and high thinking.

Muneerka takes a sabbatical!

Sunday, March 11, 2007
Muneerka takes a sabbatical!

Dear Muneerka, Where are you? Did not hear from you after my Shiva Rathri reply to your Valentine’s Day blog. Good that you are taking a sabbatical. Islam is being ripped apart by Infidel. I suggest you study Islam through Sufis. I am unable to recommend you any Sufi because the only Sufi (Sheikh) I knew (through his disciple) was murdered in Sudan. He was known as the Mahatma Gandhi of Africa. Or you may read the writings of Chekkanur Moulavi or listen to the songs of Yusuf Ali Kecheri. Anyway, good luck! Do return and let's have lively discussions.
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Rebound Tuesday, March 13, 2007 8:45:22 AM
Hey Venu, Don't make fun of the kid? He is having torrid time after indulging in an unwanted debate with you and INFIDEL. Let him regain his breath and update his knowledge. Please don't jive at him. He will come back from the sands of middle EAST like a great SAND STORM - uprooting self and all others. COME ON KID, DON'T B DISTRACTED. By the way what r u doing,these days,KID? Hope you have enough reading material?
Infidel Thursday, March 15, 2007 12:57:22 AM
I like your sense of humour, rebound. Muneer is 50+ but behaved no different than ajmal (18). But I would appreciate his honesty when he admitted that he is learning ABC of islam. Indeed, these muslims are brainwashed in such a way that see BLACK AS WHITE AND WHITE AS BLACK if mulla referes that quran says so. Neither mulla nor these zombies ever tried to varify the actual meaning of quran and islam. They blindly believe whatever told to them from childhood (rather in mother's w*mb).i am sure muneer will come back but as an infidel, if he learns islam with open mind(??) and with some logic. If he prepares how to argue with us, he will be sent back to learn again. Falsehood of islam cannot be defended, however hard a zombie try to defend it.

Temple entry for all

Monday, March 5, 2007
Temple entry for all
It was reported in the newspapers that tonnes of food were destroyed in the Jaganath Puri temple because of the entry of a non-Hindu into its premises. I was wondering if the food could not have been distributed amongst the poor.

I feel all temples should be open to all and anyone who enters a temple should respect that particular temple’s customs and traditions. However, it is a fact that many temples hold on to various theories of defilement, from wearing footwear, banning entry to women during menstrual days or even the whole period to not allowing entry to non-Hindus and even to some castes within the Hindu fold. Since Hinduism permits varieties of religious expressions, practices and beliefs, we should not, of course, try to steamroll, homogenize or seek uniformity of temple rules. At the same time, temples should reconsider its rules of defilement to permit anyone who wishes to have a darshan unrestricted entry at least on some specific days. I understand many temples in Kerala suspend any restriction of entry on Utsav days in the temple. Maybe this principle could be applied to all temples.
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Allah has no partners but at least one enemy named Satan

Sunday, March 4, 2007
Allah has no partners but at least one enemy named Satan.

[This is in response to Mohammad Irshad Hussain's blog "Transforming concept of one God".]

1. Tawaid means that Allah is without partners. Unfortunately, He has at least one enemy – Satan. I feel more comfortable with a God who has partners rather than enemies.

2. Why is Allah calling upon people to worship Him? What does worship mean in Islamic terms? Why does Allah require such a favour from us?

3. You say all men are creatures of one God and that they are therefore all equal. Is this not subject to the condition that all men convert to Islam?

4. You mention that there are no discriminations based on color, class, race, or territory but you omit to mention that there is no discrimination based on religion in Islam. Is this not a dead giveaway of your “my religion only true religion” stand?

5. You say that humanity is one single family. Do I, a Hindu, also belong to that family? Hinduism’s ‘Vasudeva Kutumbakam’ includes the Muslims too as members of one family.

6. You are in error in saying that man is God’s deputy on earth. No partners, remember? Slaves are not partners, though.

7. You talk about a new order based on what is in the Quran, including Shariat. It calls for death to the idolater and apostate. I vote to have a newer order!
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Sunday, March 4, 2007
Transforming Concept of One God
We find that the universe is like a superbly written, fascinating book - can it be without an author?
Transforming Concept of One God
Tawhid is a transforming concept that constitutes the essence of the teachings of Islam. It means that there is only one supreme Lord of the universe. He is omnipotent, omnipresent and the sustainer of the world and of mankind. Now can one observe the inexhaustible creativity of nature, its purposefulness, its preservation of that which is morally useful and destruction of that which is socially injurious, and yet fail to draw the conclusion that behind nature there is an all-pervading mind of whose incessant creative activity the processes of nature are but outward manifestations? The stars scattered through infinite space, the vast panorama of nature with its charm and beauty, the regular waxing and waning of the moon, the astonishing harmony of the seasons - all of these point towards one fact: there is a God. We witness a superbly flawless plan in the universe - can it be without a planner? We see great enchanting beauty and harmony in its working can they be without a creator? We observe wonderful design in nature can't be without a designer? We feel a lofty purpose in physical and human existence - can it be without a will working behind it? We find that the universe is like a superbly written, fascinating book - can it be without an author? Truly, God said: O, Mankind: worship your Lord, Who created you and those before you, so that you may ward off evil; Who has made the earth a resting place for you, the sky a canopy and Who causes water to pour down from the heavens, thereby producing fruits as food for you. So do not set up rivals to God, when you know better. (Quran 2:21-22) This is the basic tenet to which Muhammad asked humanity to adhere. It is an important metaphysical concept and answers the riddles of the universe. It points to the supremacy of law in the cosmos and the all-pervading unity behind the manifest diversity. It presents a unified view of the world and offers the vision of an integrated universe. It is a mighty contrast to the piecemeal views of the scientists and the philosophers and unveils the truth before the human eye. After centuries of groping in the dark, man is now coming to realize the truth of this concept, and modern scientific thought is moving in this direction. But it is not merely a metaphysical concept: it is a dynamic belief and a revolutionary doctrine. It means that all men are the creatures of one God and that they are therefore all equal. Any discrimination based on color, class, race, or territory is unfounded and illusory. It is a remnant of the days of ignorance that chained men down to servitude. Humanity is one single family under God, and there can be no sanction for those barriers. Men are one - and not bourgeois or proletarian, white or black, Aryan or non-Aryan, westerner or easterner. Islam gives us a revolutionary concept of the unity of mankind. The Prophet came to unite humanity on the word of God, which says: Cling firmly together by means of God's rope, and do not be divided. Remember God's favor towards you when you were enemies; He united your hearts so that you became brothers because of His favor. (Quran 3:103) This concept also defines the true position of man in the universe. It says that God is the Creator and the Sovereign, while man is His vicegerent on the earth. This exalts man to the noble and dignified position of being God's deputy on earth and endows his life with a lofty purpose: to fulfill the will of God on earth. This will solve all the perplexing problems of human society and establish a new order wherein equity and justice, as well as peace and prosperity, will reign supreme. The starting point of Islam is the belief in the oneness of God (tawhid).

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Infidel Sunday, March 4, 2007 9:29:04 PM
Great reply Venu. I admire.1)No partener for god!! LOL.In crap quran, allah (read mo) forgot this and mentioned "WE" for himself. Who are they? Allah didn't know that he should use "I". He also used HE and ALLAH, THEY in quran for himself. Sufficient to prove that quran was wrote by pedo MO.2)Allah is so arrogant and egoistic that whoever refuses islam, he prders to kill him, and moreover his anger doesn't go away by that, he will burn them in hellfire for eternity. What a pathetic god allah is!!

Infidel Sunday, March 4, 2007 9:40:39 PM
5) This is a lie. Ummah is one family not humanity as per islam. So no question of infidels to be a part of that family. They are the worst enemies of muslims.6)In islam, all muslims are slaves of allah (actually of pedo MO). Allah is MO's alter ego. What a shame for muslims to worship pedophile MO. Remember PBUH all the times.7)New order is actually 7th century barbarism. Islam doesn't allow civilised world, democracy, secularism, freedom and advancement. Everything is in comic book quran. Why you should go beyond it, it's allah last word. He forgot to speak after crap quran. LOL
Infidel Sunday, March 4, 2007 9:48:47 PM
3) If all men (what about women) are creature of one god, why he has to punish them, if they use their brain? As per islam, before birth god already decided that who will be muslim and who will be infidel. Also he already decided that whether an infidel will convert to islam or not. It is allah sole decision and nobody has any interference in that. So allah punishes infidels for his own decision, how rediculous!!4)There is a discrimination in islam, venu. Believer and nonbelievers. Later are the worst creatures and should be killed in this life and should burn in hellfire for etrnity. What a shameful cult islam is!!

Infidel and the lacklustre Muslim response

Friday, March 2, 2007
Infidel and the lacklustre Muslim response

The questioning of Islam by Infidel is not bringing on a spirited defence by Muslims. Cut and paste jobs are hardly to the point. I have a feeling that most Muslims have so far only studied the Quran by rote and have not internalised it. If they have, they could have easily countered any 'attacks' by being philosophical (i.e., putting things in a larger perspective). Muslims, at least those responding in NDTV blogsphere, seem unable to do it. Holding on to Islam due to fear of Allah appears to have limited Muslims’ option to just quoting the Quran without philosophizing it, for fear of not getting it to tally with the official version. However, if the Muslims ever begin to philosophise about Islam, then Islam would flower into Sufism (i.e. move from dogma to spiritual). Then peace would finally dawn in the world of religion.

I am unable to praise Infidel enough and do not want to sound hackneyed in trying to do so. Nevertheless, I must once more say, Infidel, you are making a pioneering and tireless effort to make our Muslim brothers see the truth of the impossibility of God ceasing to speak after the 7th century and giving the final message in Arabic language. If at all a God had to give anything like a ‘final message’, He would have done it by instilling in us a capability that we would awaken to by and by – and this He has done right at the time of creation itself by giving us the gift of awakening to our higher consciousness – a possibility sought to be understood by many, except those whose options have been foreclosed by a dogmatic approach to religion.


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perfektm Friday, March 2, 2007 2:49:05 PM
Venu... sufi was a response given, when indians refused to accept islam under all conditions...by threating they made arabia islamized, which travelled down till presia... but the trick haven'T worked in india...people decided to die, instead of accepting islam... they had thrown all money in deep wells.. womens commited johar/sati in respose of islam... at last islam was loosing.. and they 1st time accepted in history, to accept what they tag pagans...anyways if you think indian muslims haven't "internalised" themself.. then i will say if hindus come in that place... Islamic existance will vanish out...
believer Friday, March 2, 2007 5:43:29 PM
How can you make one understand who doesn't want to understand? One who doesn't believe in God? One who creates a blog for mischief mongering and abuse? One who doesn't believe in the various creations of God and asks for proof done by some HUMAN scientists and questions God using the works of human beings, how can one explain to such fools and bigots?When a DOG barks it is better to avoid him and go your way..that is the work of an intelligent person.
K.Venugopal Friday, March 2, 2007 7:00:25 PM
Look, Believer, It is all about a certain attitude that is reflected in your comment. Your expressions upto "... using the works of human beings" are all acceptable, understandable and debatable. But why did you suddenly use the phrase "such fools and bigots"? Also, why do you consider questions as "dog barks"? I find this pattern repeated almost without fail by Muslim bloggers or those who take up the Islamic position. These blogs and comments are not private conversations; they are a public broadcast, albeit limited to a certain medium. A large number of persons read the blogs without necessarily noting their comments. So what you write is not for any individual, but a statement of views or positions for the readers at large. Therefore record your expression with malice towards none.
K.Venugopal Friday, March 2, 2007 7:12:43 PM
Dear Perfektm, The Hindu vision of Advaita has had the most profound spiritual influence in all history and even when not obvious, it always underscored all religiosity. It was a pervasive phenomenon, reaching all corners of the world. In Arabia too the culture had developed and its adherents were known as Sufis - but the coming of Islam threatened its existence and to survive, it took on the outer trappings of Islam but always had the Advaitic soul intact. Jesus’ teaching also was essentially Advaitic, but the Church managed to brutalise it. With the advent of foreign conquest, the advaitic soul of Hinduism went into a retreat. Now again, since Swami Vivekananda burst upon the scene, Advaita has had a slow and steady flowering and it has already had an impact on Christianity and it would before long have an impact on Islam too, which would see the resurfacing of the Sufi culture through Islam.

Infidel Friday, March 2, 2007 7:08:52 PM
Hey muslim clown, As your name suggests, you were expected to abuse when you don't have logical answer. Good show of islamic logical response. Keep it up, so that we can laugh upon.YOu wrote:"How can you make one understand who doesn't want to understand?"Absolutely correct for zombies like you. After proving so many times that quran is pedo MO's words and not of god, bigots like you will not understand, because you don't want to understand. Period.Your little brain (read dead brain) concluded that I don't believe in god and his power & creations. Which is not true. It's nOt your problem, it's because of being blind believer.You fools doesn't know the difference between quran and god. God is the creator and quran is his word (as per islam), which makes quran as his creation. BUt for morons like you, questioning quran is questioning god. What a pity!I never questioned god but quran, which is having load of errors, absurdities and fallacies.You graduate illiterate, answer a single questioned raised by me, of course rationally (which I am sure you cannot, being a brain-dead zombie) and show that you are not barking.

Infidel Friday, March 2, 2007 7:24:18 PM
YOu fools argue (mostly with venu) that creator and creation can not be the same. Then how come quran and god became one? you people are simply idiots.If quran is god's words, how can it have so many errors in it? Only one single error proves that it is not from god, but from pedo MO, Who deceived muslims for last 1400 years in the name of god and circumcised brains like you still believe in it.Good for you to be in this cult because if you come out of it, still I doubt that your dead-brain will start working or not. Quran is nothing but a crap book which teaches hate and voilence. Evertytime you people quote that comic book, your intelligency is revealed. Understood you muslim. So instead of abusing, go and read your comic book many times to see its real meaning by using your little brain.
Infidel Friday, March 2, 2007 7:46:43 PM
Dear Venu,Thanks for the kind words.So lastly this muslim proved you right. As per this clown, quran and gos is same, which proves your point that creator and creation can be the same. Cheers.Venu, we can wake up a person who is sleeping but not one who is pretending to sleep. These morons are like later. They are really pervert followers of pedophile MO.PS:Sorry for using such language in your blog, but I had no other option.
doggy doggy Friday, March 2, 2007 8:27:13 PM
hey infidel doggy, stop that barking.you are disturbing the neighbourhood! LOL!

Infidel Friday, March 2, 2007 9:36:08 PM
hey doggy,go to the nearest mosque and show your a$$ to allah while mulla barks.
Infidel Friday, March 2, 2007 10:59:45 PM
Hey believer,your way of writing looks quite familiar. I think, you are learner?PLease don't be shy if you are one of them?
Infidel Friday, March 2, 2007 11:49:45 PM
Hey believer, your tone is quite familiar.It looks you are one of the muslims who couldn't answer my questions and hence don't want to get humiliated by showing your name in which you wrote earlier.
Infidel Saturday, March 3, 2007 12:00:07 AM
Hey muslim,YOu wrote:"When a DOG barks it is better to avoid him and go your way..that is the work of an intelligent person".Is this the islamic way to confess? As you couldn't answer a single question raised, Show your intelligancy in refuting those points. By evading them actually you are proving that islam is false and you cannot defend it. Truth is so powerful that it need not to be hidden. If your islam is the truth, show us its truthfulness. It's your religious duty to preach islam everywhere and prove us,nonbelievers, wrong. Go ahead muslim, seek help your moon god allah and prove quran is divine.If you don't show up again here, then you will prove that you are a pervert and can't do anything except barking and abusing.Enough is enough. Stop barking and use your little brain in understanding quran and islam.

Mataji Nirmala Devi and our National Flag

Monday, February 26, 2007
Mataji Nirmala Devi and our National Flag.
Recently there was a blog with a photograph showing Mataji Nirmala Devi and at her feet our National Flag. Naturally all patriots were disturbed. I contacted the organisation and they have e-mailed me the following statement they have issued to the press.

Our Deepest Respect to our National Flag

We Sahaja Yogis have the highest and deepest respect for our National Flag, which is the symbol of our National Freedom. Shri Mataji NirmalaDevi participated actively in the Quit India Movement. Her father Shri P K Salve was imprisoned by the British because he participated actively in Mahatma Gandhiji’s Freedom movement. It is inconceivable that any member of Shri Mataji’s family would tolerate even the slightest disrespect to our National Flag.

Possibly, at an Independence Day function held abroad, some foreigner Sahaja Yogi brought our Flag and without meaning any disrespect, kept it on the ground. The Flag was respectfully removed immediately on being noticed.

Shri Mataji NirmalaDevi asks us all to respect National Flags of all countries.

This unintended but serious mistake is greatly regretted. Not even the slightest disrespect to our National Flag will ever be tolerated.

To all those whose feelings have been hurt by this wholly unintended and unfortunate error, we express the assurance that we fully share their anguish and we extend our deeply felt and sincerest regrets and unqualified apologies.

For H.H. Shri Mataji NirmalaDevi Sahaja Yoga Trust
Rajendra Kumar
Trustee
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As in Mecca, so in Ayodhya

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Saturday, February 24, 2007
As in Mecca, so in Ayodhya
This blog is in response to “The Holy Land” posted by Gautam Ramaswamy on Saturday, February 24, 2007 at 7:14:01 PM. Gautam has suggested: “No Mandir, no Masjid, build a state-owned Cancer / AIDS research institute, coupled with a hospital, over this land and return its sanctity.”

This suggests that (1) he finds the temple lacks sanctity, (2) he wants the Government to take over a site of deep importance for the Hindus and (3) he wants the place to be put to use for purposes other than Hindu religion.

I would ask him to consider the following:

Muslims believe a mosque existed in Mecca since the time of Abraham and later on it was destroyed by pagans (Hindus?) who installed idols there. Then Mohammad came and destroyed the idols and restored the mosque to its pristine glory.

Hindus believe a temple existed in Ayodhya since the time of Rama and later on it was destroyed by Muslims who built a mosque there. Then Vishva Hindu Parishad came and destroyed the mosque and restored the temple - not yet to its pristine glory, which is awaited.

Now if anyone says that the temple in Ayodhya must revert to a mosque, then he should be fair and also say that the mosque in Mecca must revert to a temple.

And if Gautam feels that a Cancer/AIDS research institute with a hospital should be built in Ayodhya, I feel that a magnificent temple with a Rama/Sita research institute should be built in Ayodhya.

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In response to Blog by Gautam: Why in Ayodhya, because in Mecca?
You are contradicting yourself when you say that “Building a Ram Mandir there would restore the sanctity of the place, which has been robbed of the same because of the bloodshed and senseless behavior of ours” How was our behaviour senseless or responsible for bloodshed? What destroyed the sanctity of the place was Baber and his Mosque.

About wanting an assurance that another Akshardham would not happen, are you not forgetting that Akshardham itself was built most peacefully and non-controversially and everything about Swaminarayan movement is most peaceful? And yet Akshardham attack took place. So no assurance can be given by anybody except that we have the spirit in us that made us rebuild Somnath temple every time it was destroyed. Let us have the mantra of ‘Jai Somnath’ in our hearts.
The only end to the problem is the building of a magnificent Rama temple on the spot and a readiness to defend the temple at all costs.
Funny you say that we should “keep religion absolutely out when finding a way out”. How can religion be kept out of a Rama Mandir?
What is this research centre you are talking about? Since you mentioned an AIDS/Cancer research centre, I mentioned that more apt to a Rama temple premises would be a Rama/Sita research centre (meaning a research centre on Rama and Sita or Ramayana, not a research centre for Aids or Cancer named after Rama or Sita!).
You say “The solution to this issue can only be found outside politics and religion. It can't be found by our politicians and our religious leaders”. There is no need to keep anybody out. Only, no one should seek to hijack the movement away from the purpose of a magnificent temple at the birthplace of Sri Ram.

Vande Mataram.

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viperov Sunday, February 25, 2007 4:11:28 PM
Dear Mr. Venugopal,I am answering the questions raised, in this and the posts that follow:Sanctity:The place would have had its sancity if there were a temple present.There is none. There is only a land where many innocent people were killed.
viperov Sunday, February 25, 2007 4:14:42 PM
So, One way of returning the sanctity of the place is to build the temple.I am not contesting the sanctity of the temple at all.
viperov Sunday, February 25, 2007 5:05:05 PM
Dear Sir,Please find a response to your blog in my posts.Cheers!Viperov